Tibbermoresaint Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 5 minutes ago, Whatif said: the victim is asked to phone in the crime, which costs the victim, or go along to the office if they can find one open. How does this work for murder victims? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 If there's a downward trend in crime it's down to less kids being outside and the reduction in footfall to pubs and clubs than anything Police Scotland have done. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 2 hours ago, Whatif said: So we are looking at a graph of 3 estimates, Lower Estimate. Best Estimate and Upper estimate and nothing actually factual. You have no idea how crime is recorded and the steps being taken to avoid recording it and this can easily equate to the reduction in officers who are actually on the street. Rather than have an officer call on a victim, the victim is asked to phone in the crime, which costs the victim, or go along to the office if they can find one open 1/ It's from Humza Yousaf, who certainly does know how crime is recorded. This is a separate set of stats for crime experienced. 2/There are 17,180 police officers in Scotland, a reduction of a whole 86 since the end of 2017. Given a 42% reduction in crime experienced since 2008/9 I'm sure you'll agree that's not unreasonable. 3/You'll have some proof for this state of affairs that isn't something you saw on Facebook, I'm sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 26, 2019 Share Posted March 26, 2019 The estimates seem to tally with the general picture painted by the Scottish crime survey and reported crime stats http://www2.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Crime-Justice 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Difficult one for the Beeb this. The editorial solution for distorting Scotland could be: "It has been alleged that solicitors practicing criminal law in Scotland are facing a shortage of work. This being as a result of policies being pusued by the Scottish govt." 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 'UK used to mean United Kingdom but ask anyone today and they'll tell you it stands for 'Unbelievable Krimewave'. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2/There are 17,180 police officers in Scotland, a reduction of a whole 86 since the end of 2017. Given a 42% reduction in crime experienced since 2008/9 I'm sure you'll agree that's not unreasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 1/ It's from Humza Yousaf, who certainly does know how crime is recorded. This is a separate set of stats for crime experienced. 2/There are 17,180 police officers in Scotland, a reduction of a whole 86 since the end of 2017. Given a 42% reduction in crime experienced since 2008/9 I'm sure you'll agree that's not unreasonable. 3/You'll have some proof for this state of affairs that isn't something you saw on Facebook, I'm sure.Crime is down, scottish crime recording standards mean its not really possible to fail to document crime, ie you phone the police and report a crime as having been committed its recorded as such. However the demand on police to pick up the strain of other services, mental health, acting as ambulance drivers and doing social works job when kids go missing from care etc has never been higher. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 4 hours ago, git-intae-thum said: Difficult one for the Beeb this. The editorial solution for distorting Scotland could be: "It has been alleged that solicitors practicing criminal law in Scotland are facing a shortage of work. This being as a result of policies being pusued by the Scottish govt." Not impossible. You only need to think back to Foulkes "yes but they're doing it on purpose" response to the SNP delivering better outcomes for Scotland than the wider UK has experienced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Foulksey knifing folk down Saracen Street to f**k up the SNP's crime stats as we speak. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 22 hours ago, Detournement said: If there's a downward trend in crime it's down to less kids being outside and the reduction in footfall to pubs and clubs than anything Police Scotland have done. I presume the downward trend is exactly replicated in rUK then? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 Uh-huh. And? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 56 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: I presume the downward trend is exactly replicated in rUK then? England has different demographic pressures than Scotland. You can't compare the two. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, Detournement said: England has different demographic pressures than Scotland. You can't compare the two. Nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 H_B [emoji38]People actually trying to debate with H_B [emoji38] 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Heliums Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Detournement said: England has different demographic pressures than Scotland. You can't compare the two. A wee bit narked that you're happy to chuck out an unsubstantiated reason for the decline in Scotland's crime figures; happier still to cite 'demographic pressures' to suggest we shouldn't compare with another jurisdiction to better gauge our police's performance. It's as if you don't want Scotland to be shown in a positive light at any cost. But I don't understand your thinking. If you're saying – and you don't make this clear – that England's population growth makes comparison unfair – then read the stats. They show crimes and offences recorded per head of population over time. In other words, they take into account demography as far as population goes. Any similar statistical publication would do that. It's how you compare. How can you not know this? So I don't see your point unless you're making an oblique reference to other demographic factors such as immigration. In which case I'd expect you to start to show some evidence. Edited March 27, 2019 by Mr Heliums 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 25 minutes ago, Tibbermoresaint said: Nonsense. Since 1990 the population of England has increased by 18%. In the same period the population of Scotland has increased by 6%. This causes completely different pressures on services and infrastructure. There is nowhere in Scotland that is comparable to the big urban centres in London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tibbermoresaint Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Detournement said: Since 1990 the population of England has increased by 18%. In the same period the population of Scotland has increased by 6%. This causes completely different pressures on services and infrastructure. There is nowhere in Scotland that is comparable to the big urban centres in London, Birmingham, Manchester and Liverpool. More nonsense. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mr Heliums said: A wee bit narked that you're happy to chuck out an unsubstantiated reason for the decline in Scotland's crime figures; happier still to cite 'demographic pressures' to suggest we shouldn't compare with another jurisdiction to better gauge our police's performance. It's almost as if you don't want Scotland to be shown in a positive light. That's fine, of course. But I don't understand your thinking. If you're saying – and you don't make this clear – that England's population growth makes comparison unfair – then read the stats. They show crimes and offences recorded per head of population over time. In other words, they take into account demography as far as population goes. Any similar statistical publication would do that. It's how you compare. So I don't see your point about demographic pressures. Unless you're making an oblique reference to other demographic factors such as immigration. In which case I'd expect you to start to show some evidence. He's an arsehole 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 He's an arsehole H_B? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.