Jeff Venom Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 This £1.6B to the North of England with potentially some future sum going to Scotland is so massively transparent. The UK government are holding this back for any indy campaign and will wheel it out and claim that only by voting NO will this (totally undefined) sum be paid (at a totally undefined point in the future). Almost certainly it's a huge lie but folk will fall for it.It'll be Vow II and people will lap it up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, Jeff Venom said: 43 minutes ago, DA Baracus said: This £1.6B to the North of England with potentially some future sum going to Scotland is so massively transparent. The UK government are holding this back for any indy campaign and will wheel it out and claim that only by voting NO will this (totally undefined) sum be paid (at a totally undefined point in the future). Almost certainly it's a huge lie but folk will fall for it. It'll be Vow II and people will lap it up It'll be one of a number of bullshit 'promises' of Vow II and the morons and cowards will be desperate to believe it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 This £1.6B to the North of England with potentially some future sum going to Scotland is so massively transparent. The UK government are holding this back for any indy campaign and will wheel it out and claim that only by voting NO will this (totally undefined) sum be paid (at a totally undefined point in the future). Almost certainly it's a huge lie but folk will fall for it.It’s not €1.6 Bin to the north of England The north is getting a bigger share than other parts but its spread throughout the English provinces.The North West gets the biggest slice about £280m but that’s spread over 5 years and there are 7m people so that it averages £8.00 per capita annually 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, topcat(The most tip top) said: It’s not €1.6 Bin to the north of England The north is getting a bigger share than other parts but its spread throughout the English provinces. The North West gets the biggest slice about £280m but that’s spread over 5 years and there are 7m people so that it averages £8.00 per capita annually Ok, but doesn't really change anything 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Wonder if they will show this map on the six o'clock news 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 This £1.6B to the North of England with potentially some future sum going to Scotland is so massively transparent. The UK government are holding this back for any indy campaign and will wheel it out and claim that only by voting NO will this (totally undefined) sum be paid (at a totally undefined point in the future). Almost certainly it's a huge lie but folk will fall for it.Still waiting on the Glasgow to Glasgow airport rail link Cameron promised us [emoji23] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Still waiting on the Glasgow to Glasgow airport rail link Cameron promised us [emoji23] £1.1bn has been been given to the region from Westminster (and Holyrood) via the Glasgow City Deal, work is allegedly scheduled to begin in 2022. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinMagyar Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 £1.1bn has been been given to the region from Westminster (and Holyrood) via the Glasgow City Deal, work is allegedly scheduled to begin in 2022. I read the airport link to Glasgow was scrapped to be replaced with a light rail link to Gilmour st?Could be wrong 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 30 minutes ago, Paco said: £1.1bn has been been given to the region from Westminster (and Holyrood) via the Glasgow City Deal, work is allegedly scheduled to begin in 2022. Then they can tell Scotlands biggest YES city that it's definitely going to happen during indyref2, only for it not to be what they dressed it up to be when we sook on the big UK boaby again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edinabear Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 3 hours ago, DA Baracus said: It'll be one of a number of bullshit 'promises' of Vow II and the morons and cowards will be desperate to believe it. What part of Vow 1 wasn't kept just out of interest? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 I read the airport link to Glasgow was scrapped to be replaced with a light rail link to Gilmour st?Could be wrongReading about it, that looks correct - a council decision, on basis of cost. Hopefully they’ll manage to implement the crazy concept of a combined tram/train ticket that’s beyond Edinburgh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, edinabear said: What part of Vow 1 wasn't kept just out of interest? Scotland will be engaged directly as each party works to improve the way we are governed in the UK in the years ahead....Scotland has been totally ignored on Brexit and the Scottish Parliament has a mandate for a second ref which will be refused. So them ignoring democracy isn't improving the way we are governed. Edited March 4, 2019 by dirty dingus 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 1 hour ago, edinabear said: What part of Vow 1 wasn't kept just out of interest? Lol....Given its 2 main architects admit that "the vow" was never fulfilled and one of them has now even switched to support independence........I think we can safely say vow 1 was not kept. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 29 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Lol....Given its 2 main architects admit that "the vow" was never fulfilled and one of them has now even switched to support independence........I think we can safely say vow 1 was not kept. What bits though? It's a fair question. I've been googling it a bit to find a gotcha, but failed miserably. Edited March 4, 2019 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 39 minutes ago, welshbairn said: What bits though? It's a fair question. I've been googling it a bit to find a gotcha, but failed miserably. The Scottish Parliament is not permanent and doesn't have extensive new powers, a no vote did not deliver faster, safer and better change? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 40 minutes ago, welshbairn said: What bits though? It's a fair question. Ok Not withstanding all the BT lies over the EU, jobs , defence, pensions, currency etc and on and on and on.......just concentrating on "the vow" "The vow" as in the article published in the DR was a carefully drafted document promising a timetable on the delivery of something. No one could say at the time what that something was and still can't. The 3 main UK party leaders each had different views on the levels of devolution implied by the vow. The tories were in power so it was the wishiest washiest version that they put forward as per the Smith commission. In addition, the whole "lead the Uk not leave the UK" mantra was blown out the water the day after the referendum, when the tories introduced EVEL and thus made all Scots constituencies 2nd class, in respect of UK wide elections. Since then EU powers being repatriated to Westminster and a refusal to devolve certain taxes has meant the respective weakening of Holyrood in relation to Westminster. One can only imagine with the growth of the Scottish office under the tories this trend of quietly stripping Holyrood of power, will continue. The genius of the vow was that it was worded so that the gullible thought they were getting something rock solid: "the most powerful devolved govt in the world."....lol The reality is that it was an empty shell. Its not a case of the vow not being delivered. Its a case that nothing was ever vowed. A nice little con. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Lol....Given its 2 main architects admit that "the vow" was never fulfilled and one of them has now even switched to support independence........I think we can safely say vow 1 was not kept.Who has switched to back independence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
git-intae-thum Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 Just now, John Lambies Doos said: 58 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said: Lol....Given its 2 main architects admit that "the vow" was never fulfilled and one of them has now even switched to support independence........I think we can safely say vow 1 was not kept. Who has switched to back independence? Murray Foote 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 A con indeed. On the day May shakes the money tree to provide money to areas of England, one section of The Vow stands out "we agree that the UK exists to ensure opportunity and security for all by sharing our resources equitably across all four nations..." How much to Scotland? And remember the Vow was written by Cameron, Clegg and Brown and their aides. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted March 4, 2019 Share Posted March 4, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Skelpit Lug said: A con indeed. On the day May shakes the money tree to provide money to areas of England, one section of The Vow stands out "we agree that the UK exists to ensure opportunity and security for all by sharing our resources equitably across all four nations..." How much to Scotland? And remember the Vow was written by Cameron, Clegg and Brown and their aides. Wasn't Brown was the one who couldn't eat a bacon roll, forgot his name. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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