Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Your life must be one big cringe. You'd throw one of your own kids in front of a bullet to protect that old privileged hag. My life is very good thank you. And as usual with yourself, to try and justify your closed political brain, you assume you know someone's life because of their politics. Blinkered attitudes like that is why the independence movement is treading treacle just now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Blinkered attitudes like that is why the independence movement is treading treacle just now. Blinkered you say.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Just now, BawWatchin said: Blinkered you say.... Trying to say that represents an independence vote? Previous history says otherwise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sophia Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 21 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: My life is very good thank you. And as usual with yourself, to try and justify your closed political brain, you assume you know someone's life because of their politics. Blinkered attitudes like that is why the independence movement is treading treacle just now. at least you got my joke earlier 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 It's more about the fall out with an earlier leader than any similarity between the individuals. I thought it was quite good. Sturgeon is bland and inoffensive but the SNP put the Bolsheviks in the shade when it comes to party discipline. The Bolsheviks spent 30 years arguing about everything under the sun before Stalin got fed up with it. The SNP has North Korea levels of being on message. Does anyone have any thoughts on who takes over from Sturgeon?AFAIK Sturgeon hasn’t had anyone killed so no I don’t agree**Potentially my most contrarian take yet 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 20, 2019 Share Posted January 20, 2019 Swinnie was always the brain behind the operation and probably the most intelligent of them by a long way. The problem is is that he doesn't look the part.Isn’t he considered to be on the centre right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: Trying to say that represents an independence vote? Previous history says otherwise. The straw clutching from the average yoon is rather quite delicious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 3 hours ago, BawWatchin said: The straw clutching from the average yoon is rather quite delicious. No straw clutching. Just stating a fact. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: No straw clutching. Just stating a fact. Here's the fact. Two pro independence parties are on course to take more votes than the dozens of parties in Scotland that work collectively to sell Scotland down the river. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Why is there so much impatience from some within the Yes camp just now regarding IndyRef2? I could understand if the polls had dramatically moved, but they haven’t, and the Brexit shitshow is still playing out Why are some so keen to shoot their bolt? Edited January 21, 2019 by Frank Grimes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, BawWatchin said: Here's the fact. Two pro independence parties are on course to take more votes than the dozens of parties in Scotland that work collectively to sell Scotland down the river. I do not doubt that. But will that transfer into a majority for independence in any referendum? It didn't the last time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 18 minutes ago, Frank Grimes said: Why is there so much impatience from some within the Yes camp just now regarding IndyRef2? I could understand if the polls had dramatically moved, but they haven’t, and the Brexit shitshow is still playing out Why are some so keen to shoot their bolt? I'm basing my opinion on people I know. Some are deluded, some are desperate, some see the clock ticking towards May 2021, some can't accept the last result and some are just absolute zoomers. The UDI brigade are the absolute worst. There seems to be a misunderstanding that the Brexit process hasn't actually finished yet. Sturgeon has been quite clear on the process for calling a second indyref. If no deal is the outcome or if the outcome is so bad for Scotland then it should be called. Until that point nothing can be done. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 13 hours ago, Colkitto said: Angus Robertson or Humza Yousaf could be a good shout as he would have lots of experience by then and is well liked I think Humza is the obvious answer for a whole pile of reasons. He speaks very well, he is personable and in an Indy2 scenario, he presents a face of a modern progressive Scotland, not one predicated on "hating the English" -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, I'm Brian said: I'm basing my opinion on people I know. Some are deluded, some are desperate, some see the clock ticking towards May 2021, some can't accept the last result and some are just absolute zoomers. The UDI brigade are the absolute worst. There seems to be a misunderstanding that the Brexit process hasn't actually finished yet. Sturgeon has been quite clear on the process for calling a second indyref. If no deal is the outcome or if the outcome is so bad for Scotland then it should be called. Until that point nothing can be done. Totally agree I see the fringe “Disolve the Union Now” brigade as a total hindrance to the independence cause at times Nicola is playing the timeline perfect in my eyes but even some of her own MPs are showing impatience Frustrating 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said: I do not doubt that. But will that transfer into a majority for independence in any referendum? It didn't the last time. Why do you not want to see independence? What is it about what's happening at Westminster that's making you think "I want to be a part of that"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirso Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I've always been in the patient camp. I also simply believe that the vote in 2014 has to be respected and it would have taken at least ten years before the vote should be called again. The Union deserved to be given time to deliver for Scotland. Having said that I also think there is a moral duty to ask the people again given the Brexit situation. I care less now about whether we'd win. I just think the question needs to be asked of the people. I agree there are those that can't wait and have been a liability at times. I would never have wanted the next referendum under these circumstances but if the time is not now I don't see when it is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 1 minute ago, tirso said: I've always been in the patient camp. I also simply believe that the vote in 2014 has to be respected and it would have taken at least ten years before the vote should be called again. The Union deserved to be given time to deliver for Scotland. Having said that I also think there is a moral duty to ask the people again given the Brexit situation. I care less now about whether we'd win. I just think the question needs to be asked of the people. I agree there are those that can't wait and have been a liability at times. I would never have wanted the next referendum under these circumstances but if the time is not now I don't see when it is. I always felt that the folk who wanted it sooner rather than later were a liability as well. But like you, I just don't see how they can't ask the question. If a Yes can't be won after all of this, then it's simply not ever going to happen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 I don't think it is impatient to call it now as Westminster and May are going to say bolt. Then we can use a bit of grievance politics as the clusterfuck of Brexit takes hold to convince the soft No's then really push for a will of the people to get the referendum done. Also the heads gone loony yoons reaction will be grand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Grimes Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) Correct We all know the SNP don’t want a People’s Vote, it’s just clever politics to put folk like Willie Rennie in his place If the SNP hadn’t backed a People’s Vote it would have been held against them when the proper campaign for IndyRef2 kicks off I wish more people could think long term and fucking realise this Edited January 21, 2019 by Frank Grimes 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, tirso said: I've always been in the patient camp. I also simply believe that the vote in 2014 has to be respected and it would have taken at least ten years before the vote should be called again. The Union deserved to be given time to deliver for Scotland. Having said that I also think there is a moral duty to ask the people again given the Brexit situation. I care less now about whether we'd win. I just think the question needs to be asked of the people. I agree there are those that can't wait and have been a liability at times. I would never have wanted the next referendum under these circumstances but if the time is not now I don't see when it is. It had a few hundred years to do that and failed miserably. Edited January 21, 2019 by DA Baracus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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