When will indyref2 happen?

[git-intae-thum]

If the UK govt collapses over the latests brexit shambes

Is now the time Teresa?

Because I don't think we would need anyones permissions anymore.

In the above scenario and the resulting GE, a majority of Scottish seats should provide a mandate for negotiaitions to start.

Who needs referendums

[MONKMAN]

Go for it. If we can’t get enough support for independence from this absolute clusterfuck, then I’ll concede that I’ll never see it in my lifetime.

[git-intae-thum]

3 minutes ago, MONKMAN said:

Go for it. If we can’t get enough support for independence from this absolute clusterfuck, then I’ll concede that I’ll never see it in my lifetime.

The Thatcher thing is a mischevious meme...but her actual quote was just as succinct:

t “[a]s a nation, they [the Scots] have an undoubted right to national self-determination; thus far they have exercised that right by joining and remaining in the Union. Should they determine on independence no English party or politician would stand in their way”.

Edited November 15, 2018 by git-intae-thum

[git-intae-thum]

John Major was equally as direct:

“no nation could be held irrevocably in a Union against its will”

 

[git-intae-thum]

A clear and accepted mandate has always been a majority of mp's. With our right to democratic determination through referendum being witheld,  its the only way.

For continuity, our EU transition would then commence prior to brexit.

[Granny Danger]

32 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

A clear and accepted mandate has always been a majority of mp's. With our right to democratic determination through referendum being witheld,  its the only way.

For continuity, our EU transition would then commence prior to brexit.

I don’t accept a majority of MPs being a mandate under a discredited FPTP voting system.

 

[git-intae-thum]

3 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

I don’t accept a majority of MPs being a mandate under a discredited FPTP voting system.

 

Fair enough. Whats the alternative?

[Granny Danger]

3 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

Fair enough. Whats the alternative?

Another Referendum.

 

[git-intae-thum]

2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

Another Referendum.

 

"Now is not the time"

Tried that

[Granny Danger]

7 minutes ago, git-intae-thum said:

"Now is not the time"

Tried that

A majority of MSPs elected who support another Referendum would give legitimacy to such a Referendum IMO.  This assumes it is clearly set out in the Manifesto without caveats.

The Scottish Parliament is elected on PR so far more legitimate.

 

[Frank Grimes]

1 hour ago, MONKMAN said:

Go for it. If we can’t get enough support for independence from this absolute clusterfuck, then I’ll concede that I’ll never see it in my lifetime.

Yup, same

Get on with it Nicola 

[NotThePars]

"Now is not the time"
Tried that

The SNP have made no meaningful attempt to hold another vote. Shifting the goalposts now will make the movement a laughing stock. We decided we needed a referendum victory to leave and that’s what we’ll need to fight for.

[Savage Henry]

4 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

The SNP have made no meaningful attempt to hold another vote. Shifting the goalposts now will make the movement a laughing stock. We decided we needed a referendum victory to leave and that’s what we’ll need to fight for.

 

I agree.  Although an equally admirable response would be "in about twenty minutes", the way this morning is going.

[git-intae-thum]

49 minutes ago, NotThePars said:

 

The SNP have made no meaningful attempt to hold another vote. Shifting the goalposts now will make the movement a laughing stock. We decided we needed a referendum victory to leave and that’s what we’ll need to fight for.

 

I agree that a referendum victory would be an ideal scenario.

But that relies on Westminster allowing it.....and if they were to get round to allowing it, setting the timing and terms. F@ck that.

This is Westminsters doing. People realise that. We have tried the referendum route. The SNP were given the biggest democratic mandate imaginable for a referendum. They duly requested it and were fobbed off. That is not democracy. Time to up the ante unfortunately.

 

 

 

 

[Colkitto]

We're obviously in a time of uncertainty where anything can happen. But I firmly believe the First Minister will call indyref2 before Xmas or January at the very latest.

[Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier]

Just now, Colkitto said:

We're obviously in a time of uncertainty where anything can happen. But I firmly believe the First Minister will call indyref2 before Xmas or January at the very latest.

That could lead to it blowing up in her face. I believe that people will not want any more uncertainty during this brexit mess.

[git-intae-thum]

5 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

That could lead to it blowing up in her face. I believe that people will not want any more uncertainty during this brexit mess.

 

Lets not forget this freak show started in 2014.

[Granny Danger]

I would love to think that the whole Brexit mess has driven folk into the YES camp but I have my doubts.

As has been said many times before the next Indepence vote is crucial, we cannot afford to get it wrong.

 

[SweeperDee]

That could lead to it blowing up in her face. I believe that people will not want any more uncertainty during this brexit mess.

f**k off with this shite. The integrity of our parliament is at risk.

[Antlion]

35 minutes ago, Highlandmagyar 2nd Tier said:

That could lead to it blowing up in her face. I believe that people will not want any more uncertainty during the uncertainty staying in the union is causing.

Fixed that for you.