philyerboots Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 (edited) Best not wait much longer , yur gonna lose a lot of votes shortly. What a miserable shower o muppets. Edited October 11, 2018 by philyerboots -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loondave1 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Best not wait much longer , yur gonna lose a lot of votes shortly. What a miserable shower o muppets. KFC represented at the conference I see. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 11, 2018 Author Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, philyerboots said: Best not wait much longer , yur gonna lose a lot of votes shortly. What a miserable shower o muppets. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Rattled 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harry94 Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 12 hours ago, ThatBoyRonaldo said: You've also got the issue that the Tories are quite clearly not going to give the legal permission for a second referendum any time soon - at the very least we are going to have to fight an election on the specific question of "give us a mandate to hold a second referendum" before they budge on that, and even then there's no guarantee they would. May et al will have viewed their policy of "now is not the time" as basically successful at this point, given support for independence is basically the same as it's ever been since the referendum. Corbyn's Labour similarly won't grant the permission, and any attempt by the SNP to make it a condition of supporting a Corbyn UK government will be rejected - the message will be 'let the Tories back in if you dare'. 1 I'm not convinced tbh. Corbyn has been very neutral sounding on the actual granting of a referendum and went as far as even saying he'd not oppose it if it was brought forward in this parliament and the Scottish Government legislated on it. May has come out with this 'now is not the time' line but when pushed to qualify it, it has been specified as this parliamentary term. I suspect that legal permission will be granted if the Scottish elections in 2021 do return a pro-independence majority. That looks likely at the current moment but it is a long time away in political terms. I think the level of opposition to Scottish Independence at Westminster is pretty weak tbh. During the oil boom, revenues were a really important financial boost with the tax revenue they brought and I think that opposition to independence was a bit more militant. Now that those revenues have declined, the biggest practical interest to keeping Scotland is just really because it's there and integrated into the economy. I suspect independence will be an inconvenience for the establishment but at least it'd take away the rowdy politicians and give them more control. The one thing the EU referendum has shown is that 'unionists' don't really care much about the union. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Had no idea Donald Sutherland supported Scottish independence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 6 minutes ago, Principal Flutie said: Had no idea Donald Sutherland supported Scottish independence. Are you talking about Dermot Desmond? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Yep. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 2 hours ago, harry94 said: I'm not convinced tbh. Corbyn has been very neutral sounding on the actual granting of a referendum and went as far as even saying he'd not oppose it if it was brought forward in this parliament and the Scottish Government legislated on it. May has come out with this 'now is not the time' line but when pushed to qualify it, it has been specified as this parliamentary term. I suspect that legal permission will be granted if the Scottish elections in 2021 do return a pro-independence majority. That looks likely at the current moment but it is a long time away in political terms. I think the level of opposition to Scottish Independence at Westminster is pretty weak tbh. During the oil boom, revenues were a really important financial boost with the tax revenue they brought and I think that opposition to independence was a bit more militant. Now that those revenues have declined, the biggest practical interest to keeping Scotland is just really because it's there and integrated into the economy. I suspect independence will be an inconvenience for the establishment but at least it'd take away the rowdy politicians and give them more control. The one thing the EU referendum has shown is that 'unionists' don't really care much about the union. The reason Corbyn is being "neutral" on it, is because he doesn't want to lose the few votes he'll continue to get in Scotland from both unionists and independence supporters. It's merely another political calculation like everything else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 Given Corbyn's history with Ireland it would be a shock if he has suddenly become a staunch unionist. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D Angelo Barksdale Posted October 11, 2018 Share Posted October 11, 2018 7 hours ago, philyerboots said: ^^^^ Horrific club photos thread for this pish. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) On 11/10/2018 at 13:57, BawWatchin said: The reason Corbyn is being "neutral" on it, is because he doesn't want to lose the few votes he'll continue to get in Scotland from both unionists and independence supporters. It's merely another political calculation like everything else. My take is - Corbyn is more progressive than most people. Corbyn represents the most amount of change of any political figure anywhere near power in a long time. I reckon Corbyn would not mind losing Commonwealth, UK, and everything else, including the EU. Like everything, nato, the lot. New relationships with everybody, and everything. If Corbyn gets to be in power, Scottish Nationalists could have a easier path to win a referendum on Scottish Indy. Edited October 12, 2018 by Jambo99 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jambo99 said: My take is - Corbyn is more progressive than most people. Corbyn represents the most amount of change of any political figure anywhere near power in a long time. I reckon Corbyn would not mind losing Commonwealth, UK, and everything else, including the EU. Like everything, nato, the lot. New relationships with everybody, and everything. If Corbyn gets to be in power, Scottish Nationalists could have a easier path to win a referendum on Scottish Indy. If Corbyn becomes prime minister, we'll have a disfunctional government which will trigger another election. Any radical policies he attempts to push through will be voted down, not just by opposition parties, but by his own back benchers as well. If he can't control them out of government, what hope does he have of controlling them in government? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: If Corbyn becomes prime minister, we'll have a disfunctional government which will trigger another election. Any radical policies he attempts to push through will be voted down, not just by opposition parties, but by his own back benchers as well. If he can't control them out of government, what hope does he have of controlling them in government? You are not thinking like a 21st century person here. All that old style certainty is guff. Corbyn represents the biggest change to everything a big party has offered in a long time. (this is why Nicola and pro-scot-nationalists are dying a death, they might have been on the cutting edge of real change, but they are not that now) Edited October 12, 2018 by Jambo99 -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 You are not thinking like a 21st century person here. All that old style certainty is guff. Corbyn represents the biggest change to everything a big party has offered in a long time. (this is why Nicola and pro-scot-nationalists are dying a death, they might have been on the cutting edge of real change, but they are not that now)[emoji15]You on the wind up or pished? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted October 12, 2018 Share Posted October 12, 2018 1 minute ago, 1320Lichtie said: You on the wind up or pished? I am neither of those things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 I am neither of those things. Well that's rather worrying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BawWatchin Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Jambo99 said: You are not thinking like a 21st century person here. All that old style certainty is guff. Corbyn represents the biggest change to everything a big party has offered in a long time. (this is why Nicola and pro-scot-nationalists are dying a death, they might have been on the cutting edge of real change, but they are not that now) Old style certainty? Nah, it's just certainty mate. It's quite clear that he has no control of them out of government. So i'm not sure what gives you the idea that he'd suddenly have the control over them he'd require if he was in government. The 21st century person isn't thinking about socialism. Been there, tried that. Failed. The 21st century person is thinking about themselves and their families and what they can do to get ahead of the rest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, BawWatchin said: Old style certainty? Nah, it's just certainty mate. It's quite clear that he has no control of them out of government. So i'm not sure what gives you the idea that he'd suddenly have the control over them he'd require if he was in government. The 21st century person isn't thinking about socialism. Been there, tried that. Failed. The 21st century person is thinking about themselves and their families and what they can do to get ahead of the rest. like I said, you are not thinking like a 21st Century person. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo99 Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, 1320Lichtie said: Well that's rather worrying. didn't your team just get thwacked 4-1 by Edinburgh City, live on telly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted October 13, 2018 Share Posted October 13, 2018 didn't your team just get thwacked 4-1 by Edinburgh City, live on telly?Yes. They got absolutely pumped. I sat in the house watching it and I do not care one little bit. What's your point? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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