Antlion Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: Not really. The SNP going tits up or making mistakes isn't going to change the fact that the unionist parties can't field a competent side between them. The SNP dictate the agenda and the others (barely) hing on. I mean you've been saying this nigh on a decade now and yet the SNP still sit with a massive lead in the polls while I reckon if I spent six months at it I'd be on the Labour front bench. By Rob's own admission, the BritNats are desperately hoping that the SNP = Scotland being a sovereign state, and that if the SNP lose support, everyone will automatically go back to embracing Scotland's status as a wee devolved region ruled primarily from London. Of course, they'd never apply that logic to themselves. It likely hasn't occurred to Tories like Rob (or any of those who'll drop their knickers for anyone crying "No Surrender") that if May and her merry band f**k up, support for Scottish statehood may increase regardless of the SNP. Edited January 6, 2017 by Antlion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Not really. The SNP going tits up or making mistakes isn't going to change the fact that the unionist parties can't field a competent side between them. The SNP dictate the agenda and the others (barely) hing on. I mean you've been saying this nigh on a decade now and yet the SNP still sit with a massive lead in the polls while I reckon if I spent six months at it I'd be on the Labour front bench. 'A massive lead' that still wouldn't secure a Yes vote tomorrow and the separatists know it. Agree on your final point though, why not give it a shot!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RedRob72 said: 'A massive lead' that still wouldn't secure a Yes vote tomorrow and the separatists know it. Agree on your final point though, why not give it a shot!? But it doesn't need to secure a Yes vote tomorrow, m8. The SNP just have to continue doing their job while the other parties flail around being utter nonentities. Your premise that the SNP have to f**k it eventually rests on the assumption there's another party waiting in their wings. There isn't. Edited January 6, 2017 by NotThePars 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 But it doesn't need to secure a Yes vote tomorrow, m8. The SNP just have to continue doing their job while the other parties flail around being utter nonentities. Your premise that the SNP have to f**k it eventually rests on the assumption there's another party waiting in their wings. There isn't. Perhaps not at the moment but the opportunity and advantage will undoubtably present itself. As I said, it's a waiting game. New Labour won in 97 and inherited an economy at its strongest for 10 years. The SNP ( and incumbent Government) can't hope to win the same confidence (unfounded as it turned out)! Said many times that if Independence is the future of Scotland and is the majority view then so be it, we pull together and make it work. Can't see it happening in my lifetime though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HTG Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 5 hours ago, McSpreader said: 17.5 million voters aren't stupid They are 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, RedRob72 said: Can't see it happening in my lifetime though. What a Yes movement that was 6% away from winning an independence referendum and you can't see them winning in your lifetime? Even if I was on the No side I couldn't write the Yes side off like that - totally bizarre statement to make! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 What a Yes movement that was 6% away from winning an independence referendum and you can't see them winning in your lifetime? Even if I was on the No side I couldn't write the Yes side off like that - totally bizarre statement to make! It just perhaps matches the arrogance of the separatist claim that it WILL happen within the next few years eh!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 6, 2017 Author Share Posted January 6, 2017 Just now, RedRob72 said: It just perhaps matches the arrogance of the separatist claim that it WILL happen within the next few years eh!? Well, you can't absolutely write it off. It would appear the younger generation favour Independence whilst the older generation seems to be where the core No vote is at the moment. I would say it's more likely that there will be and indyref2 and a Yes vote in the next few years, perhaps in a couple of years. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 Well, you can't absolutely write it off. It would appear the younger generation favour Independence whilst the older generation seems to be where the core No vote is at the moment. I would say it's more likely that there will be and indyref2 and a Yes vote in the next few years, perhaps in a couple of years. I'm not writing it off, I said I can't see it happening. You have your view and presumably and naturally it is influenced by the circles you live, work and socialise within. My view is based on exactly the same. Neither of us can be sure, but the 2014 Ref was indeed divisive, (sorry I meant decisive)! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 6, 2017 Share Posted January 6, 2017 The SNP went into a minority government in 2007 and have spent their entire time in office in one of the worst recessions in modern history so the New Labour comparison is a bit pointless IMO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 The SNP went into a minority government in 2007 and have spent their entire time in office in one of the worst recessions in modern history so the New Labour comparison is a bit pointless IMO. But have secured more devolved powers than they could ever have dreamed of after the 97 Labour win, after 10 years, we're still waiting!? The noisy voice without the responsibility of actually taking the helm! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSquid Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 14 hours ago, renton said: What's to be unhappy about? A UK in the single market was one of the options set out in the paper at the end of last year, alongside a differentiated Brexit for Scotland. The chances of the UK getting access to the single market without the other "freedoms" - particularly freedom of movement? Pretty much nil. The chances of the UK allowing a differentiated Brexit, likewise. A 2nd IndyRef still looks likely at this moment, given the noises coming out of Westminster regarding the need to stomp all over freedom of movement. All the talk is of a hard Brexit. So, it's either the start of a climbdown, or a necessary bit of stage setting where the FM is seen to be reluctant to the last to launch another IndyRef, only doing so having been blocked on all other fronts. The ball is in Westminster's court, how would you rate the chances of them securing a Brexit that both satisfies the demand of single market access, while denying freedom of movement? The ball isn't in Westminster's court at all. Whatever happens in the Brexit negotiations, there won't be an indyref. I said that months ago. Others on this thread and others said , after the Leave vote, that there would definitely be a second indyref in this Parliament. I explained why they were wrong. And why the Leave vote was an utter disaster for Scottish independence. Indyref isn't still on the table because it was never on the table to begin with. It's gone for many years. I'm very much enjoying the rewriting of history though. And the presence that the Nationalist movement isn't seeking a new referendum. No siree. Perish the thought. Must have imagined all of the National's 'Lets get the gang together again' tubthumping, and the Summer of Independence was it? The facts are that the post-Leave climate is brutal for separation. The polls show no good signs for it. The GERS figures were horrific. And the UK is by a huge amount Scotland's critical export market. Sturgeon now has to pray that Brexit is Featherlight. The more difficult it is, the worse things get for her. She's in an utter c**t of a position here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 7 hours ago, NotThePars said: Not really. The SNP going tits up or making mistakes isn't going to change the fact that the unionist parties can't field a competent side between them. The SNP dictate the agenda and the others (barely) hing on. I mean you've been saying this nigh on a decade now and yet the SNP still sit with a massive lead in the polls while I reckon if I spent six months at it I'd be on the Labour front bench. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 1 hour ago, ScotSquid said: The ball isn't in Westminster's court at all. Whatever happens in the Brexit negotiations, there won't be an indyref. I said that months ago. Others on this thread and others said , after the Leave vote, that there would definitely be a second indyref in this Parliament. I explained why they were wrong. And why the Leave vote was an utter disaster for Scottish independence. Indyref isn't still on the table because it was never on the table to begin with. It's gone for many years. I'm very much enjoying the rewriting of history though. And the presence that the Nationalist movement isn't seeking a new referendum. No siree. Perish the thought. Must have imagined all of the National's 'Lets get the gang together again' tubthumping, and the Summer of Independence was it? The facts are that the post-Leave climate is brutal for separation. The polls show no good signs for it. The GERS figures were horrific. And the UK is by a huge amount Scotland's critical export market. Sturgeon now has to pray that Brexit is Featherlight. The more difficult it is, the worse things get for her. She's in an utter c**t of a position here. You've said that before about multiple subjects and been wrong on most of them. If you're predicting there wont be another referendum, chances are there will be Anthony. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 6 hours ago, ScotSquid said: The ball isn't in Westminster's court at all. Whatever happens in the Brexit negotiations, there won't be an indyref. I said that months ago. Others on this thread and others said , after the Leave vote, that there would definitely be a second indyref in this Parliament. I explained why they were wrong. And why the Leave vote was an utter disaster for Scottish independence. Indyref isn't still on the table because it was never on the table to begin with. It's gone for many years. I'm very much enjoying the rewriting of history though. And the presence that the Nationalist movement isn't seeking a new referendum. No siree. Perish the thought. Must have imagined all of the National's 'Lets get the gang together again' tubthumping, and the Summer of Independence was it? The facts are that the post-Leave climate is brutal for separation. The polls show no good signs for it. The GERS figures were horrific. And the UK is by a huge amount Scotland's critical export market. Sturgeon now has to pray that Brexit is Featherlight. The more difficult it is, the worse things get for her. She's in an utter c**t of a position here. So are we selling the Northern Rock shares?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bob the tank Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Mystic H_B 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WILLIEA Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 15 hours ago, kirkyblue2 said: Had you down as a Nat, so anyone who voted yes were they misguided or stupid or does it only apply to the EU vote? Yes and No 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 H_B back to being the clairvoyant voice of reason on here again. Nice. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 How many seats is H_B predicting for the SNP in the next election?Single figures again? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 (edited) Aye the yoons are full blown panic mode,heard they wheeled out Archie Mcpherson at some thing today Edited January 7, 2017 by doulikefish 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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