H_B Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Didn't take long for the EU to get their revenge. The 'OXI.. Yay' lot look really stupid now. Greece are going to end up with worse than they would have if they'd said yes at this rate. Don't see how Tsipras survives this complete humiliation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Yeah didn't see it going this wrong tbh. Good quote was that I expected the Eurozone to give the Greeks a bit of slap before they agreed to a new deal but they've gone straight to the baseball bat and the machete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 Didn't take long for the EU to get their revenge. The 'OXI.. Yay' lot look really stupid now. Greece are going to end up with worse than they would have if they'd said yes at this rate. Don't see how Tsipras survives this complete humiliation. You keep posting about this as if Greece has no alternative. Proposal, counter-proposal will keep going until agreement is reached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 . Greece are going to end up with worse than they would have if they'd said yes at this rate. Don't see how Tsipras survives this complete humiliation. I think that's a given now tbh. National unity government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 People kidding on they're in the know is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 All kicking off now apparently, including a "fierce altercation" between the Italian and Dutch PM's. Krugman is scathing of the Germans. http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/krugman/2015/07/12/killing-the-european-project/?referrer= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 You keep posting about this as if Greece has no alternative. Proposal, counter-proposal will keep going until agreement is reached. Err.. Yes. And each proposal inflicts more humiliation on Tsipras. Greece have the choice of whether to agree with brutal austerity and humiliation or ... Agree with brutal austerity and humiliation. The current deal looks worse than the one clowns were patting them on the back for rejecting as some sort of great victory. What's happened is that the EU have taken the last week to sharpen the knives and polish the knuckleduster before smashing Tsipras. No wonder Varoufakis shat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Im amazed,the no vote was last sunday,all the "experts" were saying Greece has only a couple of days of money/drugs etc before it collapsed and its still going Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 That's the thing there are no experts in this matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 That's the thing there are no experts in this matter. Yip,im sitting in the same seat at the airport in the lounge and basically this mondays coverage on the beeb news is the same as last monday"banks will run out of money,hospitals have no drugs" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Yip,im sitting in the same seat at the airport in the lounge and basically this mondays coverage on the beeb news is the same as last monday"banks will run out of money,hospitals have no drugs"Good point, tspiras should just leave the negotiations saying that they don't need any money anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Im amazed,the no vote was last sunday,all the "experts" were saying Greece has only a couple of days of money/drugs etc before it collapsed and its still goingThe Greeks themselves said they would run out of Euros by the middle of July if there wasn't a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Err.. Yes. And each proposal inflicts more humiliation on Tsipras. Greece have the choice of whether to agree with brutal austerity and humiliation or ... Agree with brutal austerity and humiliation. The current deal looks worse than the one clowns were patting them on the back for rejecting as some sort of great victory. What's happened is that the EU have taken the last week to sharpen the knives and polish the knuckleduster before smashing Tsipras. No wonder Varoufakis shat it. So do you have details of the "current deal"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 The Greeks themselves said they would run out of Euros by the middle of July if there wasn't a deal. Apoligies i was in a rush,i was referring to the beeb and there so called "experts" basically repeating what was on the news last monday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 One side effect of this on the UK will be the reaction of the electorate to the recent 'negotiations' between the troika and Greece. There will be plenty of people, particularly from the left who value democracy, anti-austerity etc, who will be appalled by the actions of the larger Eurozone. This is manna to the get out campaign who could get some legitimacy from seeing their numbers broadened out from the usual Tory euro-sceptics and UKIP nutters. It could also be pretty tricky for the SNP, if you get a sufficiently negative reaction from all those left wingers who form much of their new membership. The oft repeated notion that Scotland wanting to stay as the rest of the UK wants to leave would constitute a 'material change' for another referendum would be challenged if the left is sufficiently moved to a negative reaction of the EU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Looks like the Greeks have won a major concession from the Germans in restructuring the debt which they've point blank refused to discuss until now. Tweets Tweets & replies Gavin Hewitt @BBCGavinHewitt 1h1 hour ago French Pres Hollande says 'there will be a re-profiling of Greek debt by extending the maturities'#Greece 22 retweets3 favourites Reply Retweet22 Favourite3 More Gavin Hewitt @BBCGavinHewitt 1h1 hour ago Greek PM Tsipras says 'the deal is difficult'. Claims to have 'won debt restructuring' and avoided having state assets moved abroad.#Greece 20 retweets5 favourites Reply Retweet20 Favourite5 More Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Looks like the Greeks have won a major concession from the Germans in restructuring the debt which they've point blank refused to discuss until now. Tweets Tweets & replies Gavin Hewitt @BBCGavinHewitt 1h1 hour ago French Pres Hollande says 'there will be a re-profiling of Greek debt by extending the maturities'#Greece 22 retweets3 favourites Reply Retweet22 Favourite3 More Gavin Hewitt @BBCGavinHewitt 1h1 hour ago Greek PM Tsipras says 'the deal is difficult'. Claims to have 'won debt restructuring' and avoided having state assets moved abroad.#Greece 20 retweets5 favourites Reply Retweet20 Favourite5 More Aye, but punted well down the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 One side effect of this on the UK will be the reaction of the electorate to the recent 'negotiations' between the troika and Greece. There will be plenty of people, particularly from the left who value democracy, anti-austerity etc, who will be appalled by the actions of the larger Eurozone. This is manna to the get out campaign who could get some legitimacy from seeing their numbers broadened out from the usual Tory euro-sceptics and UKIP nutters. It could also be pretty tricky for the SNP, if you get a sufficiently negative reaction from all those left wingers who form much of their new membership. The oft repeated notion that Scotland wanting to stay as the rest of the UK wants to leave would constitute a 'material change' for another referendum would be challenged if the left is sufficiently moved to a negative reaction of the EU. I think their actions in Greece and Italy in 2011 were far worse than this. If you weren't outraged by that affront to democracy, I doubt this will move people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 Aye, but punted well down the line. And no haircut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted July 13, 2015 Share Posted July 13, 2015 I think their actions in Greece and Italy in 2011 were far worse than this. If you weren't outraged by that affront to democracy, I doubt this will move people. Maybe, but there seems to be more exposure on this issue now, and you've now got - in Scotland at least - quite an engaged electorate. A lot of people who might not have given a damn in 2011 now like to think of themselves as anti austerity/ pro local democracy and are now active members of an SNP that is still avowedly pro EU. It's maybe not a big issue in terms of the whole Brexit referendum, but it's an interesting political knot for the SNP leadership to untie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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