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10 hours ago, Jacksgranda said:

I don't read that out of it at all.

Serves me absolutely right for not reading that link and instead just believing the comment that introduced it to me like an absolute moron.

Thank you.

 

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There’s a pic of that survivor 4th grader that I was sent by one of my stepdaughters and it’s the spitting image of her daughter, my 4th grade granddaughter.

Fair shook me!

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In general I don’t blame the cops in the US for not going in immediately, with the weapons they have now it’s pretty much a suicide mission and no job should expect people to do that.

Though what they did here is still beyond negligent if it’s true they told a kid to shout for help/Went in for their own kids etc - I don’t know how accurate any of that is though.

The US has basically created a monster it can’t control. 

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3 minutes ago, Jambomo said:

In general I don’t blame the cops in the US for not going in immediately, with the weapons they have now it’s pretty much a suicide mission and no job should expect people to do that.

Though what they did here is still beyond negligent if it’s true they told a kid to shout for help/Went in for their own kids etc - I don’t know how accurate any of that is though.

The US has basically created a monster it can’t control. 

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

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1 hour ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

Quis custodiet ipsos custodes ?

But apart from that, what have the Romans done for us?

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1 hour ago, Mr. Brightside said:

I mean, I would suggest that it is not just US cops that, on the whole, don't give a f**k about you. No one should really be surprised. 

I agree to some extent but don't feel like this is some acab argument. 

Perhaps it's just due to training but there have been heroic interventions in the past few years when UK police have died in an attempt to protect the public. Keith Palmer being a good example.

I saw some left wing US commentator analysing the stats for how many US officers die and it's such a tiny amount that it seems absurd how much they protect their officers from danger when it comes to protecting the public from the same danger. 

 

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2 hours ago, Mr. Brightside said:

I mean, I would suggest that it is not just US cops that, on the whole, don't give a f**k about you. No one should really be surprised. 

 sorry can i just ask, are you suggesting that no police officer gives a f**k about the welfare of the public? 

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5 hours ago, Florentine_Pogen said:

American Police Depts. should maybe drop the 'To Serve and Protect' myth.

Maybe 'Doughnuts and No Fucks Given' could be the new slogan.

Could attend shouts in corporate sponsored donut squad cars.

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On 26/05/2022 at 07:31, Joey Jo Jo Junior Shabadoo said:

My pal got a night in the cells for having the temerity to walk home from the pub.

Sigh. No, he didn’t. 

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58 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Could attend shouts in corporate sponsored donut squad cars.

I like that one idea. The right wing are terrified of anything which sounds even a bit socialisty so let’s have the polis apply for grants and sponsorship to fund their activities. 
 

Or as in this case, lack of them. 

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4 hours ago, Jambomo said:

In general I don’t blame the cops in the US for not going in immediately, with the weapons they have now it’s pretty much a suicide mission and no job should expect people to do that.

 

This point alone is interesting because it sort of neccesitates that the "aRm tHe tEaChErs" argument is clearly the bullshit we all know it to be, so it will be intersting to see the crossover from that squad and defending the Police here. 

If armed, trained people whose job it is to respond deem it too dangerous, then lets just draw a line under the fucking ludicrous "good guys with guns" bullshit. 

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8 hours ago, Jambomo said:

In general I don’t blame the cops in the US for not going in immediately, with the weapons they have now it’s pretty much a suicide mission and no job should expect people to do that.

 

Yes the average nutcase shooter has so much firepower the police aren't safe.  But let's allow anyone to buy them.

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The cops not responding properly is confusing me.

I here that schools and workplaces have drills for this kind of scenario.

Then why don't the police have training for this kind of scenario. Surely standing outside for an hour (holding back parents) waiting on a SWAT squad to arrive isn't in the hand book.  

ETA Sorry, for the above, all has been revealed

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The senior officer on the scene decided to wait until the school janitor arrived with the keys

 Fucking hell.

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7 hours ago, Bairnardo said:

This point alone is interesting because it sort of neccesitates that the "aRm tHe tEaChErs" argument is clearly the bullshit we all know it to be, so it will be intersting to see the crossover from that squad and defending the Police here. 

If armed, trained people whose job it is to respond deem it too dangerous, then lets just draw a line under the fucking ludicrous "good guys with guns" bullshit. 

As you say, the “arm the teachers” argument is clearly bullshit as is the “good guys with guns idea”.

I remember talking years ago to someone who had been a trained marksman and he was saying that it was really hard even for trained people to get a shot to properly hit the target over distance - nothing like you see on tv where they aim for an arm and hit it etc. That people who aren’t trained or have regular practice with guns are more likely to get hurt themselves in trying.

Who comes out best in a firefight is going to be down to a massive amount of luck on who reacts first, who has the better equipment etc the idea that anyone can prevent a shooting simply by having a gun is ludicrous.

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