hk blues Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 16 hours ago, TxRover said: Just making the point that there is no standard. The three killings standard is widely derided as trying to make headlines and having been created by Mother Jones. The real fight is over four or five victims, excluding the murder. I think society is being whooshed here, overall…the fact that it’s even being debated that way. Other than for the purposes of sensational media headlines, why does it matter whether it's 3, 4 or 5 or 10 as a qualifier? The only time I would say mass should be used is where the actual number is unknown or indeterminable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 1 hour ago, hk blues said: Other than for the purposes of sensational media headlines, why does it matter whether it's 3, 4 or 5 or 10 as a qualifier? The only time I would say mass should be used is where the actual number is unknown or indeterminable. It’s unfortunate that your statement is correct, and covers the real reason. Anyone, and everyone, especially those with an agenda, likes to define things in a way favorable to telling their (version of a) story. Unless there is a definition of a phrase, you get this sliding scale that is used to play with statistics and such. It was this idea that I was using to poke a bit of fun at the uses of the phrase mass shooting in this thread…where it is generally used in the most basic manner and without real agenda. I guess, without seeing the hyperbolic discussions and arguments about the phrase “mass shooting” and what does and doesn’t qualify, it missed the mark. It’s an interesting benchmark despite that, perhaps suggesting a little more sanity. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, TxRover said: It’s unfortunate that your statement is correct, and covers the real reason. Anyone, and everyone, especially those with an agenda, likes to define things in a way favorable to telling their (version of a) story. Unless there is a definition of a phrase, you get this sliding scale that is used to play with statistics and such. It was this idea that I was using to poke a bit of fun at the uses of the phrase mass shooting in this thread…where it is generally used in the most basic manner and without real agenda. I guess, without seeing the hyperbolic discussions and arguments about the phrase “mass shooting” and what does and doesn’t qualify, it missed the mark. It’s an interesting benchmark despite that, perhaps suggesting a little more sanity. I assume, maybe wrongly, that the definition of mass in the USA is linked to some kind of law, punishment etc etc hence the desire to put a number to it, and the different parameters set by different states. I make this assumption because why else would a number such as 3 (or 4 and 5 IMO) be considered as mass as they are relatively small as numbers in themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 5 hours ago, hk blues said: I assume, maybe wrongly, that the definition of mass in the USA is linked to some kind of law, punishment etc etc hence the desire to put a number to it, and the different parameters set by different states. I make this assumption because why else would a number such as 3 (or 4 and 5 IMO) be considered as mass as they are relatively small as numbers in themselves. Nope. 3 is Mother Jones news standard, doesn’t include killer…4 is FBI, but may or may not include the shooter and has limits on location(s)…many news groups use 4, excluding killer, but some include..others say 5, with killer, some say without…there is no statutory definition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlipperyP Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 Is it still a mass shooting if it happens in a Proddy church? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 3 minutes ago, SlipperyP said: Is it still a mass shooting if it happens in a Proddy church? Beat me to it, you scoundrel! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 16, 2022 Share Posted November 16, 2022 55 minutes ago, SlipperyP said: Is it still a mass shooting if it happens in a Proddy church? If it’s Southern Baptist, it’s a rapture. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 12 hours ago, TxRover said: Nope. 3 is Mother Jones news standard, doesn’t include killer…4 is FBI, but may or may not include the shooter and has limits on location(s)…many news groups use 4, excluding killer, but some include..others say 5, with killer, some say without…there is no statutory definition. At least the lawmakers have got it right then - if there's no material difference in what is and isn't a mass shooting in terms of punishment then why categorise it at all? As an aside, In Japan, the death penalty can be given for 2 or more murders. I would assume they don't have to be at the same time but who knows? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 hour ago, hk blues said: At least the lawmakers have got it right then - if there's no material difference in what is and isn't a mass shooting in terms of punishment then why categorise it at all? As an aside, In Japan, the death penalty can be given for 2 or more murders. I would assume they don't have to be at the same time but who knows? In Japan it can be given for an aggravated murder conviction, even just one…plus treason, military insubordination and kidnapping resulting in death. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyAnchor Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Horrendous shooting at a gay bar last night in Colorado Springs. 5 dead and about 15 injured, they apparently got the gun off him or could have been wose. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 16/11/2022 at 13:13, TxRover said: Nope. 3 is Mother Jones news standard, doesn’t include killer…4 is FBI, but may or may not include the shooter and has limits on location(s)…many news groups use 4, excluding killer, but some include..others say 5, with killer, some say without…there is no statutory definition. There's so much to think about. It would put you off going on a killing spree. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 9 hours ago, BillyAnchor said: Horrendous shooting at a gay bar last night in Colorado Springs. 5 dead and about 15 injured, they apparently got the gun off him or could have been wose. The republicans acting shocked and sad when they have been ramping up division for years now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 On 16/11/2022 at 14:47, TxRover said: If it’s Southern Baptist, it’s a Raptor. FTFY. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Multiple fatalities in shooting at Walmart store in Virginia | US News | Sky News 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hk blues Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 20 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Walmart store in Virginia | US News | Sky News "The number of people killed was not clear, but local media outlet WAVY reported that "no more than 10 people have died". What a strange way to put it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, hk blues said: "The number of people killed was not clear, but local media outlet WAVY reported that "no more than 10 people have died". What a strange way to put it. Keep it in mind, the shop isn't too busy at that time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Joe Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 52 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: Multiple fatalities in shooting at Walmart store in Virginia | US News | Sky News A one stop shop for any newbie 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 The store manager apparently. Shot himself after his rampage. f**k me what a country [emoji55] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 6 hours ago, Billy Jean King said: The store manager apparently. Shot himself after his rampage. f**k me what a country If you’ve been to a Walmart in some areas, you might understand his rage…of course, he mainly capped employees, so maybe it was at the direction of Walmart Corporate. We won’t know until we see if the highest paid employees got it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carpetmonster Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, TxRover said: If you’ve been to a Walmart in some areas, you might understand his rage…of course, he mainly capped employees, so maybe it was at the direction of Walmart Corporate. We won’t know until we see if the highest paid employees got it. Be a drop bin for bits of wood and nails to make caskets out of next to the one where you leave canned food for the staff out front. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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