Trackdaybob Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 On 28/05/2022 at 16:24, velo army said: I'd like to hear @Trackdaybob's tuppence Not sure what I can tell you. At least not sure how relevant my experiences are. Yes I have had plenty training over the years. With various weapons. But I am not a soldier. Far from it. My job is to maintain and prepare aircraft for training in peacetime and operational missions during conflict. Usually this involves operating from a base as far as practicably possible from any enemy, protecting the assets and reducing the risk of ground attack. This base will be protected inwardly by RAF Security Force/Regiment and outwardly by an Army Unit/Local forces. If I have to pick up and use my weapon then something massively has gone wrong. My training, mostly from RAF Regiment instructors consisted of familiarisation with the weapon, learning how it works, how to operate it, strip it, clean it, rebuild it and prepare for use according to the operational environment. Then there is all the drills to learn. The Load. Ready. Fire order. Reload. STOP!!! Unload. Stoppage drills. We're then tested on these before actually getting to the range to use it. Then use it properly. Aiming center body mass, breathing, release and squeeze the trigger. Once you're proficient with the handling and firing of the weapon, there's the Rules of Engagement to learn. These vary massively from theatre to theatre depending on the perceived threat, local laws and UK law. Stay within these boundaries whilst returning fire and legally you are covered. Apparently. I've never experienced any training along the lines of "him bad = kill, him good = don't kill". The human element isn't even really considered. It's all been about the RoE and we go through many, many scenarios where you react; or not then debrief afterwards. Again and again. Sometimes for days. Yes not all scenarios can ever be covered but the aim is to prepare you and give you the confidence to act appropriately given what's happening in front of you. You're left to make decisions based on what you see happening then engaging. Or not. The key to it is the interpreted threat to life. If there's a threat to life, it has to be stopped. Using minimum force. If the minimum force required is your weapon? So be it. Usually a challenge has to be issued before firing. "AIR FORCE!! STOP OR I FIRE!" unless to do so increases the threat to life then you could open fire without issuing a challenge. Only fire single aimed shots. Only fire center body mass. It can be pretty intense. Some people are better at it than others. All RAF personnel irrespective of role are trained to a basic level. Then when they deploy they will go through more intense training courses reflecting the requirements of that deployment. I've only ever returned fire once. I was part of a convoy that came under attack in the first Gulf War. After decamping and taking cover, a few of us returned fire. It was over as quick as it started. The Army lad with the GPMG on the top cover Land Rover saw to that. We continued on our way. I'd emptied two magazines (40 rounds). Did I consider the human element? Not for a second. Did I want to keep their heads down to stop them shooting at us. Yes I did. Did I hit anyone? Not a fucking clue. They were 500+ meters away. The 7.62mm SLR I had would/could be effective at that range. The GPMG would definitely have been effective. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/florida-boy-10-arrested-after-threatening-to-carry-out-mass-shooting/ar-AAXTse0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=66f9176859de4162918c15f933bc6e81 He's lucky he wasn't shot, after the carry on in Texas. Of course, maybe he's white. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 I'd use my football knowledge to identify wee teams with big cup ties, when... half the Darvel players are in Spain on a stag do. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 15 hours ago, 101 said: This seems to have been too subtle for the members of the NRA. It's America mate, there's every chance he's being completely serious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 11 hours ago, DiegoDiego said: ... half the Darvel players are in Spain on a stag do. They all live in Cheshire with the money they're on. Too much security. And I wouldn't want to cross any of their bosses. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 19 hours ago, Granny Danger said: You could generalise that, put in one of the politics threads then close the politics forum. Please no. It's like the blood-brain barrier. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Canada bringing in new gun laws. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/handgun-freeze-in-canada-and-five-round-limit-on-magazines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Canada bringing in new gun laws. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/handgun-freeze-in-canada-and-five-round-limit-on-magazines Hang on... You mean it's possible for politicians to be elected without bending over and spreading them for gun manufacturers? Even more reason for Americans to doubt that Canada actually exists and think that it's just a made up country in a commie comic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 6 minutes ago, Salt n Vinegar said: Hang on... You mean it's possible for politicians to be elected without bending over and spreading them for gun manufacturers? Even more reason for Americans to doubt that Canada actually exists and think that it's just a made up country in a commie comic. I remember a mic overhearing a conversation between Trump and Trudeau about healthcare with Trump sounding ruefully jealous that Canadian politics allowed what the GOP call "socialised medicine". This was in the middle of him trying and failing to kill off Obamacare. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I remember a mic overhearing a conversation between Trump and Trudeau about healthcare with Trump sounding ruefully jealous that Canadian politics allowed what the GOP call "socialised medicine". This was in the middle of him trying and failing to kill off Obamacare. I wonder why. It's not like he'd give a single f**k about providing decent healthcare for people with assets of less than $100m (guesstimate). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 In addition to Bob's description of his training and the mention of Switzerland over the past few pages, Switzerland also has national service and I'm pretty sure you have to keep your guns afterwards. I think that's less likely to lead to mass shootings than, say, selling them in supermarkets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 Just now, BFTD said: I wonder why. It's not like he'd give a single f**k about providing decent healthcare for people with assets of less than $100m (guesstimate). He doesn't give a f**k about any of the issues, its about feeding his base. The obvious solution to healthcare is a nationwide insurance scheme that everyone pays into and makes use of when needed, it's called sharing risk. That's political death for a Republican though. He used to be pro choice and pro gun control too, that went out of the window when he realised the people who voted for him were hugely anti abortion but happy to see school children slaughtered as a price to pay for easy access to military assault weapons. The healthcare thing was a pain in the arse for him because there was no easy way to replace Obamacare and he really wanted to kill off everything with Obama's name on it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: He doesn't give a f**k about any of the issues, its about feeding his base. The obvious solution to healthcare is a nationwide insurance scheme that everyone pays into and makes use of when needed, it's called sharing risk. That's political death for a Republican though. He used to be pro choice and pro gun control too, that went out of the window when he realised the people who voted for him were hugely anti abortion but happy to see school children slaughtered as a price to pay for easy access to military assault weapons. The healthcare thing was a pain in the arse for him because there was no easy way to replace Obamacare and he really wanted to kill off everything with Obama's name on it. Yeah, so that sorta leaves healthcare as something he either thought he could personally profit from changing (unlikely), or that he thought would be the better thing to do for other human beings (lol), as supporting it would alienate his base. It's really quite bizarre that a Republican who came bearing dirty socialist medicine would be excoriated by people in their voter base who don't have a pot to piss in. The Red Scare lives on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 On 30/05/2022 at 09:04, stevieKTID said: Good video, had use a VPN to pretend to be in the Netherlands to watch it though.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, welshbairn said: Canada bringing in new gun laws. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/may/31/handgun-freeze-in-canada-and-five-round-limit-on-magazines All the sensible people in the USA should move to Canada. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 6 hours ago, Granny Danger said: All the sensible people in the USA should move to Canada. American and Canadian definitions of “sensible” are somewhat at variance…doubt the Canucks would buy this one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 4 hours ago, TxRover said: American and Canadian definitions of “sensible” are somewhat at variance…doubt the Canucks would buy this one. Only draft dodging long hair beatniks abandon the glorious USofA in the time of Revelations and the return of the king. Don't worry you'll spot their buses at the border if they ever changed their minds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albus Bulbasaur Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 This is a lovely touch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 It would be a lot lovelier if he wasn't having to make them. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mackie The Staggie Posted June 1, 2022 Share Posted June 1, 2022 I mean I shouldn't be surprised but yet..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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