1320Lichtie Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 What a load of shite, he inherited a team on the cusp of being the greatest in the world aye they were third in the league ffs He promoted busquets and pedro from the b team, sold Ronaldinho and deco two incredible players and completely changed the style of play. He built the greatest side in the world he didn't inherit it. I agree. Somebody else posted a great description of what Guardiola actually done with Barcelona on these forums somewhere, he obviously inherited a lot of good players but he built a fantastic side and done a superb job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I take it they've just decided Pellegrini and Van Gaal won't last past the summer or have they said this'll be their last season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 first proper challenge guardiola will have had really, the barca team he inherited was on the cusp of being the greatest team ever to have played the game, he undoubtedly helped and nourished it but lets face it, he walked into a guaranteed success, same at the bayern job Drivel. Compare the differences between Rijkaard's last season and Guardiola's first: Finishing third with 67 points, 18 points behind Real Madrid & 10 behind Villarreal, to winning the league with 87 points, 9 ahead of Real Madrid Scoring 76 goals in the league to scoring 105 goals in the league Messi went from scoring 16 goals to scoring 38 goals 1-0 & 4-1 defeats in the Clasico to 2-0 & 6-2 wins From no trophies to the first treble in Spanish history Rijkaard had Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta & Thuram as regulars, Guardiola got shot of the first three while Thuram retired, signed Alves and Pique (who at that point was fourth choice at Man Utd but under Guardiola transformed into one of the best centre backs in the world) while giving Busquets & Pedro their debuts and immediately made Busquets a first team regular Introduced a new style of play which brought the best out of Xavi & Iniesta which in turn was pivotal in making Messi so ridiculously good. That style of play was not only the basis for Barcelona winning 14 trophies in 4 years but also for Spain winning their first ever World Cup and retaining the European Championship Barcelona became one of the best teams of all time because Pep Guardiola is a tremendous manager who made them one of the best teams of all time. Nothing about their success was guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 What a load of shite, he inherited a team on the cusp of being the greatest in the world aye they were third in the league ffs He promoted busquets and pedro from the b team, sold Ronaldinho and deco two incredible players and completely changed the style of play. He built the greatest side in the world he didn't inherit it. the barcelona CL final 2009 starting line up Valdes Pique Toure Sylvinho Puyol Busquets Xavi Iniesta Henry Messi Eto' of that starting 11, busquets was the only one he essentially brought in, unsure if pique was his purchase or already agreed by then but the rest of that starting 11 he walked into, thats 9 CL starting 11 winners he inherited not built he is obviously good at getting performances out of great players, but not for one minute did he "build" any of the two teams that he has managed so far, not in the manner that any of the english clubs will require Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Drivel. Compare the differences between Rijkaard's last season and Guardiola's first: Finishing third with 67 points, 18 points behind Real Madrid & 10 behind Villarreal, to winning the league with 87 points, 9 ahead of Real Madrid, scoring 105 goals in the process Scoring 76 goals in the league to scoring 105 goals in the league Messi went from scoring 16 goals to scoring 38 goals 1-0 & 4-1 defeats in the Clasico to 2-0 & 6-2 wins From no trophies to the first treble in Spanish history Rijkaard had Deco, Ronaldinho, Zambrotta & Thuram as regulars, Guardiola got shot of the first three while Thuram retired, signed Alves and Pique (who at that point was fourth choice at Man Utd but under Guardiola transformed into one of the best centre backs in the world) while giving Busquets & Pedro their debuts and immediately made Busquets a first team regular Introduced a new style of play which brought the best out of Xavi & Iniesta which in turn was pivotal in making Messi so ridiculously good. That style of play was not only the basis for Barcelona winning 14 trophies in 4 years but also for Spain winning their first ever World Cup and retaining the European Championship Barcelona became one of the best teams of all time because Pep Guardiola is a tremendous manager who made them one of the best teams of all time. Nothing about their success was guaranteed. thats completely not the point, if he goes to city, he isnt inheriting a team that has the ability to win the CL, same for chelsea and united, when he took over at barca in may 2008 he had the bulk of the 2009 CL winners starting line up already in place because rijkaard didnt play these guys doesnt mean they werent there, he's a good man manager and clearly a good coach, but he hasnt actually had to rip apart a squad and rebuild it big time, thats my point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 thats completely not the point, if he goes to city, he isnt inheriting a team that has the ability to win the CL, same for chelsea and united, when he took over at barca in may 2008 he had the bulk of the 2009 CL winners starting line up already in place because rijkaard didnt play these guys doesnt mean they werent there, he's a good man manager and clearly a good coach, but he hasnt actually had to rip apart a squad and rebuild it big time, thats my point Yes, but you said it was a guaranteed success. It evidently wasn't. It's true that he's never had to almost entirely overhaul a squad to create a team capable of challenging for the Champions League, so any of the English clubs he's been linked will be a new challenge for him in that respect, but inheriting great players at Barcelona & Bayern guaranteed nothing. Additionally, despite never having to build a squad from scratch he's also got a very good record in the transfer market. While he inherited the spine of the team at Barcelona, he still did a great job of building the side round them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHallSaint Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Wonder if Wenger would consider retiring knowing Pep is available this summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'd love it if Wenger won a treble this year then waltzed off into the sunset allowing Guardiola to replace him, causing unparalleled rage among at least three other English teams delicious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RawB93 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'd love it if Wenger won a treble this year then waltzed off into the sunset allowing Guardiola to replace him, causing unparalleled rage among at least three other English teams delicious This. So much this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YHallSaint Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I was thinking about it today and out the big 4 surely Arsenal are the best fit for him, plus it would be hilarious to see the Mancs and Chelsea fans go off their tits when he's unveiled. It's been mentioned a lot Wenger thinks next year is the time to go but I dot think he'll get a better chance than this year to win the title. The other three surely won't be as bad next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BradHorse Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 thats completely not the point, if he goes to city, he isnt inheriting a team that has the ability to win the CL, same for chelsea and united, when he took over at barca in may 2008 he had the bulk of the 2009 CL winners starting line up already in place because rijkaard didnt play these guys doesnt mean they werent there, he's a good man manager and clearly a good coach, but he hasnt actually had to rip apart a squad and rebuild it big time, thats my point In what way do City not have a squad that has the ability to win the CL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yes, but you said it was a guaranteed success. It evidently wasn't. It's true that he's never had to almost entirely overhaul a squad to create a team capable of challenging for the Champions League, so any of the English clubs he's been linked will be a new challenge for him in that respect, but inheriting great players at Barcelona & Bayern guaranteed nothing. Additionally, despite never having to build a squad from scratch he's also got a very good record in the transfer market. While he inherited the spine of the team at Barcelona, he still did a great job of building the side round them. guaranteed success is maybe overdoing it, but i doubt there has been any other manager who walked into a squad as good as that barca squad was, when you can sell guys like deco, ronaldinho, thuram retired amongst others, and still have a squad good enough that 9 of the players you inherit start for you in the CL final the following year, then your job is a million times easier he is obviously a good coach, knows the game, what he wants from his team etc, but he has never had to rebuild a squad, hence the big challenge i could argue that, as some posters have put it, if he turned that barca team around from rijkaards disaster, then what happened at bayern given he took over a CL team that won the treble and not won the CL since , but then thats just something to start an argument and pretty pointless lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 In what way do City not have a squad that has the ability to win the CL? they barely have a squad the now to win the EPL in all honesty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I always thought Wenger would go when he won a trophy again but I think he's waiting for the title before he retires. Would be interesting seeing Arsenal, Chelsea, Manchester City and Manchester United all with new managers next season. It happened with 3 of them in 2013 but they were all pretty much set from the moment their previous managers left but Guardiola makes it a whole lot more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Peps impact at Barca, while good, is tinged with over-rating due to the fact Rijkaard was doing such a fucking abysmal job at it. For all the talk about his "brilliant signing record", he's a list of the players he signed... Seydou Keita Gerard Pique Jose Pinto Martin Caceres Dani Alves Alex Hleb Henrique Zlatan Ibrahimovic Maxwell Keirrison Dmytro Chygrynskiy David Villa Javier Mascherano Adriano Ibrahim Afellay Cesc Fabregas Alexis Sanchez. You could only say four of those were successes (Pique, Alves, Villa, Mascherano), while a raft were incredibly average squad players. The likes of Chygrynskiy, signed for 25m euros before being sold for 10m euros less just 12 months later, were complete disasters. Lets not pretend he built them up Sir Alex style, he inherited a squad containing top drawer players entering their prime years, with the likes of Puyol, Abidal, Xavi, Eto'o, Henry and Marquez all in whats established as the prime age for a footballer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Grass Is Greener. Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Only 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Only 4? Yeah, the rest weren't any great shakes and thats why most have been moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaviliunas Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'm actually astounded that folk think it was laid on a plate for him, frightening . Dunnings nailed it nothing more really needs to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
54_and_counting Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I'm actually astounded that folk think it was laid on a plate for him, frightening . Dunnings nailed it nothing more really needs to be said. So describe him at bayern then, took the treble winning bayern team and got humped off real in the semi final including 4-0 at home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yeah, the rest weren't any great shakes and thats why most have been moved on. This has to be a piss take. Gerard Pique Dani Alves Zlatan Ibrahimovic David Villa Javier Mascherano Adriano Cesc Fabregas Alexis Sanchez Only 4 of those could be deemed successful signings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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