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It was voted through a couple of years back but the secretary didn't like the result found a technicality to have a re-vote and got it overturned.

Such is life in the West Region.

Sepp Blatter wouldn't get a look in. :lol:

Was that the St Ants proposal ?. Don't think it was for 16 team top league though. 16 team leagues gives you 15 home games that's the way to go.

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16 team top league is a no brainer .

Only 11 home league games as it stands is pathetic lets be honest .

The SPL is hardly a role model but if they had a top twelve team league then they would be closer to looking at playing each team 3 or 4 times a season rather than just the twice .

Obviously floodlights / the split etc gives them the scope to play each team 3 or 4 times a season but the current setup in the top flight in only 12 teams basically sets up a rat race to win the league / avoid relegation from the first whistle of the campaign.

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Having 16 team leagues and binning diddy cups is the way to go.

Will it happen? probably not,thats far too sensible.

At least 3 teams pulled out of the Central League Cup this season.

One of the main characters against it, Kennie at Lugar is not involved anymore, hopefully some club will have the balls to get it out on the agenda and at least get it voted on.

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You need to plan for it.

I suggested the East restructure on here and after a few tweaks it was picked up by Jeanfield Swifts and formally proposed at the East AGM 12 months later and was voted thtough by around 2/3rds of the clubs.

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You need to plan for it.

I suggested the East restructure on here and after a few tweaks it was picked up by Jeanfield Swifts and formally proposed at the East AGM 12 months later and was voted thtough by around 2/3rds of the clubs.

Well done you.

The East have made a success of it, how difficult would it be for West clubs to copy?. Looks to me that the East has progressive clubs and ideas in their set up while the West is stuck in the dark ages.

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Was the main complaint about St Anthony's proposal not that it established 4 region-wide divisions of 16, which the smaller clubs baulked at?

Something equivalent to what the East Juniors did would be 2 region-wide divisions, and 2 districts.

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Travel costs would put some of the smaller teams out of business and fans would be put off by the extra travelling

Did a team not vote against it for this very reason, then win promotion to a superleague which incurs the extra travel costs? Some Ayrshire grounds are closer to central district grounds
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Clubs actually voted to change the structure but Kennie & fixturesan weren't happy & had a re vote & Craigmark changed their minds

Great that such big hitters as Lugar & Craigmark can decide how the league progresses

LADESIDE

Sounds like an old firm mentality.

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Was the main complaint about St Anthony's proposal not that it established 4 region-wide divisions of 16, which the smaller clubs baulked at?

Something equivalent to what the East Juniors did would be 2 region-wide divisions, and 2 districts.

Thought it was an all in 5 division set up mate...12-12-12-12-14, was before Rossvale joined but honestly can't remember 100%.

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Thought it was an all in 5 division set up mate...12-12-12-12-14, was before Rossvale joined but honestly can't remember 100%.

I'm certain it was five Divisions as well. Was it a club(s) not paying their membership fee on time that caused a re-vote?

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Here's how it could look based current standings:

Super Premier

Auchinleck Talbot, Hurlford United, Irvine Meadow, Glenafton Athletic, Petershill, Beith Juniors, Troon, Kilbirnie Ladeside, Arthurlie, Shotts Bon Accord, Cumnock Juniors, Clydebank, Pollok, Shettleston, Kirkintilloch Rob Roy, Cumbernauld United

Super 1st

Rutherglen Glencairn, Maybole Juniors, Kilsyth Rangers, Greenock Juniors, Largs Thistle, Yoker Athletic, Irvine Victoria, Neilston Juniors, Ardeer Thistle, Thorniewood United, Ardrossan Winton Rovers, Kilwinning Rangers, Darvel Juniors, Blantyre Victoria, Bellshill Athletic, Maryhill
East
Dunipace, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Larkhall Thistle, Wishaw Juniors, Lanark United, Forth Wanderers, Royal Albert, Newmains United, Cambuslang Rangers, East Kilbride Thistle, Vale of Clyde, Ashfield, Rossvale, St. Roch's, Gartcairn
West
Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Renfrew, Johnstone Burgh, Vale of Leven, Port Glasgow Juniors, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Glasgow Perthshire
The geographic divide is between Glasgow Perthshire and Ashfield (meaning they would be in separate leagues despite being so close)

Or if you prefer:

North

Dunipace, Gartcairn, Newmains United, Wishaw Juniors, Renfrew, Vale of Clyde, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Ashfield, Rossvale, Johnstone Burgh, St. Roch's, Glasgow Perthshire, Cambuslang Rangers, Port Glasgow Juniors, Vale of Leven
South
Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Royal Albert, Larkhall Thistle, Lanark United, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Forth Wanderers, East Kilbride Thistle

The divide here is between Wishaw and East Kilbride

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Yep, Prem looks a cracker with still enough quality in the league below.

Bin the sectional and you could actually have a good dozen league fixtures played by the end of September, and still have the West, Scottish and one regional cup.

The Evening times has to go, waste of space tournament. Causes far too many teams to pay players and train unnecessarily for a month, waiting on a fixture to be played. Dont understand why Evening times don't offer to sponsor the west or either or both regional cups when the current sponsorship expires.

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Here's how it could look based current standings:

Super Premier

Auchinleck Talbot, Hurlford United, Irvine Meadow, Glenafton Athletic, Petershill, Beith Juniors, Troon, Kilbirnie Ladeside, Arthurlie, Shotts Bon Accord, Cumnock Juniors, Clydebank, Pollok, Shettleston, Kirkintilloch Rob Roy, Cumbernauld United

Super 1st

Rutherglen Glencairn, Maybole Juniors, Kilsyth Rangers, Greenock Juniors, Largs Thistle, Yoker Athletic, Irvine Victoria, Neilston Juniors, Ardeer Thistle, Thorniewood United, Ardrossan Winton Rovers, Kilwinning Rangers, Darvel Juniors, Blantyre Victoria, Bellshill Athletic, Maryhill
East
Dunipace, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Larkhall Thistle, Wishaw Juniors, Lanark United, Forth Wanderers, Royal Albert, Newmains United, Cambuslang Rangers, East Kilbride Thistle, Vale of Clyde, Ashfield, Rossvale, St. Roch's, Gartcairn
West
Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Renfrew, Johnstone Burgh, Vale of Leven, Port Glasgow Juniors, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Glasgow Perthshire
The geographic divide is between Glasgow Perthshire and Ashfield (meaning they would be in separate leagues despite being so close)

Or if you prefer:

North

Dunipace, Gartcairn, Newmains United, Wishaw Juniors, Renfrew, Vale of Clyde, St. Anthony's, Benburb, Ashfield, Rossvale, Johnstone Burgh, St. Roch's, Glasgow Perthshire, Cambuslang Rangers, Port Glasgow Juniors, Vale of Leven
South
Whitletts Victoria, Lugar Boswell Thistle, Kello Rovers, Saltcoats Victoria, Annbank United, Dalry Thistle, Craigmark Burntonians, Girvan, Muirkirk Juniors, Royal Albert, Larkhall Thistle, Lanark United, Carluke Rovers, Lesmahagow Juniors, Forth Wanderers, East Kilbride Thistle

The divide here is between Wishaw and East Kilbride

Looks good whichever way you slice it.

Cups could be the Scottish, WoS, and then either have a knockout all-in League Cup, or bring back the old Ayrshire and Central District Cups and let the teams in the old geographical areas play in it.

Either way, 30 league games/15 home league games a season has to be a good thing.

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Yep, Prem looks a cracker with still enough quality in the league below.

Bin the sectional and you could actually have a good dozen league fixtures played by the end of September, and still have the West, Scottish and one regional cup.

The Evening times has to go, waste of space tournament. Causes far too many teams to pay players and train unnecessarily for a month, waiting on a fixture to be played. Dont understand why Evening times don't offer to sponsor the west or either or both regional cups when the current sponsorship expires.

The Evening Times cup is a waste, I agree.

I do think the sectional league cup is a great idea in principle, but doesn't get the attention it deserves by scheduling it at the very start of the season, meaning clubs use it as a trial.

I would actually have a knockout cup for each league to give teams the chance to win a trophy, even those in the bottom leagues. There are clubs who haven't won anything for decades. For example, here is a list (as accurate as I can make it) of when the Ayrshire clubs last won a national, west or ayrshire-wide trophy:-

Auchinleck Talbot - 2015

Glenafton - 2014

Troon - 2014

Hurlford - 2014

Cumnock - 2013

Largs Thistle - 2013

Irvine Meadow - 2013

Beith - 2010

Kilbirnie - 2010

Kilwinning - 2004

Annbank - 1988

Craigmark - 1981

Kello Rovers - 1976

Irvine Victoria - 1974

Ardeer Thistle - 1966

Dalry Thistle - 1961

Saltcoats - 1953

Lugar - 1951

Darvel - 1923

Ardrossan ?

Girvan ?

Maybole ?

Muirkirk ?

Whitletts ?

Can't be much fun when you never really have anything to play for.

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