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14 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

We've now had two statements from the club regarding chants about Lithgow. One telling us the fans can't chant in support of his sex crimes and another one telling us no-one is allowed to remind him of his sex crimes. Neither of these statements have actually mentioned Lithgow or his sex crimes, obviously, because that would be addressing the issue and they are terrified of doing so. 

If anything the club's refusal to acknowledge the fans/members concerns about how this has been handled has made it far worse. They could draw a line under it. They've had multiple chances to do so but are putting their heads in the sand. 

😳 Wow, where do we start with this??  You admit that the club have issued two statements, yet then you immediately  claim they haven’t addressed the issue……..      Jesus wept……..

A statement condemning fans’ behaviour was the right thing to do, and they’ve now done it - twice - but try thinking sensibly about it for once instead of emotionally. Do  you really think Lithgow would want or welcome the club going into personal detail about him and his past offence? Of course not.

 

Then the bit in bold - “They could draw a line under it.”  They did. They signed the player and it was a done deal from then. No further comment needed.  It’s only the abuse that he got for being stupidly sent off that has seen them, rightly, make a further statement.

Look back at the pages on here relating to his signing. There was a small amount of debate and controversy about it which quickly died away. You are one of the few who continue to bore the tits off the rest of us by bringing it up on a regular basis. You are one of a few on here who attach far more importance to P&B and that moribund Morton forum than is justified. The reality is that only a small percentage of the support read this stuff, and even fewer post. Most fans don’t know or care that these sites exist. Many of them won’t know of Lithgow’s conviction or just don’t care; the only time he will get a thought from the casual supporter will be when a) he’s named in the team,  b) when the game’s being played and c) when, like on Saturday, he does something that draws the attention. They only care about what he does on the park; the rest of the time they don’t give a toss, if you’ll pardon the expression, about Lithgow.

The few posters who made an issue of this signing, and the even smaller number who think that getting some reaction on here is significant, are deluding themselves. Douglas Rae listened to a few of you re signing Lithgow a few years back, but you can’t run a football club that way and the new regime quite rightly made their decision and have stuck by it. No further comment needed from them……. Or from you. Let it go, you and vt can trumpet away on here but the truth is that nobody cares outwith these pages.

 

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12 hours ago, virginton said:

Loving the braying, horseshit argument that 'well he's here for the duration of his contract so move on!', whether applied to useless players or indeed the incumbent, useless manager. I'll be very surprised if either of the two club employees currently on the receiving end of 'personal abuse while doing their job!!!!111!!!' are still at the club in April next year when their current deals expire, because that's how professional football actually works. 

At this rate, the situation will be untenable for one or both contracted parties long before their deals are up. The club throwing a can of petrol on the fire with that nonsense statement yesterday only makes that more likely. 

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The only braying, horseshit nonsense is coming from you and that other idiot. As I said above, away from these pages nobody cares about Lithgow except with regard to what he does on the park. If that continues to be as poor as it has been up till now then he’ll be away at the end of his deal. Gus may very well be away before then, but that will be dependant on not just results but whether we are still in the pack or are isolated at the bottom. The only thing certain is that it won’t be because of anything said on a football forum. 
 

 

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23 minutes ago, Rudolph Hucker said:

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The only braying, horseshit nonsense is coming from you and that other idiot. As I said above, away from these pages nobody cares about Lithgow except with regard to what he does on the park.

That'll be why the club have already issued two official statements about Lithgow this season, both of which were completely irrelevant to his performances on the park. 

It's almost as if both a segment of the fanbase and the club itself do in fact care about this issue. A clash that is only going to get worse after the club's latest, tone-deaf rap lecture. I for one did not care either way to begin with - it is only the club's totally shambolic mishandling of the situation that has engaged me in the affair. 

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If that continues to be as poor as it has been up till now then he’ll be away at the end of his deal. Gus may very well be away before then, but that will be dependant on not just results but whether we are still in the pack or are isolated at the bottom. The only thing certain is that it won’t be because of anything said on a football forum.

This word salad is all based on the premise that views on a football forum are entirely separate to the sentiment of the fanbase at a match. In reality, forums are a microcosm of the fanbase - one tilted to the extreme end of opinions - but a sure bellwether of where the general trend is headed nevertheless.

And given that the club has just got its knickers in such an enormous twist about one single fan at the last away match, the views expressed on here are just as likely to trigger a response when they are expressed at a match as well. Like the square go that the assistant manager was offering at the Queen of the South match not too long ago. 

That you don't like this fact and would rather GMFC sailed serenely above the views of the scum fanbase as it tried to do during the height of the Rae era is really not my problem. 

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11 hours ago, Rudolph Hucker said:

😳 Wow, where do we start with this??  You admit that the club have issued two statements, yet then you immediately  claim they haven’t addressed the issue……..      Jesus wept……..

A statement condemning fans’ behaviour was the right thing to do, and they’ve now done it - twice - but try thinking sensibly about it for once instead of emotionally. Do  you really think Lithgow would want or welcome the club going into personal detail about him and his past offence? Of course not.

 

Then the bit in bold - “They could draw a line under it.”  They did. They signed the player and it was a done deal from then. No further comment needed.  It’s only the abuse that he got for being stupidly sent off that has seen them, rightly, make a further statement.

Look back at the pages on here relating to his signing. There was a small amount of debate and controversy about it which quickly died away. You are one of the few who continue to bore the tits off the rest of us by bringing it up on a regular basis. You are one of a few on here who attach far more importance to P&B and that moribund Morton forum than is justified. The reality is that only a small percentage of the support read this stuff, and even fewer post. Most fans don’t know or care that these sites exist. Many of them won’t know of Lithgow’s conviction or just don’t care; the only time he will get a thought from the casual supporter will be when a) he’s named in the team,  b) when the game’s being played and c) when, like on Saturday, he does something that draws the attention. They only care about what he does on the park; the rest of the time they don’t give a toss, if you’ll pardon the expression, about Lithgow.

The few posters who made an issue of this signing, and the even smaller number who think that getting some reaction on here is significant, are deluding themselves. Douglas Rae listened to a few of you re signing Lithgow a few years back, but you can’t run a football club that way and the new regime quite rightly made their decision and have stuck by it. No further comment needed from them……. Or from you. Let it go, you and vt can trumpet away on here but the truth is that nobody cares outwith these pages.

 

Yes the club have made two statements: neither of which address the issue. I don't see what's hard to grasp about that. But you are, unequivocally, a floundering mess so I understand your difficulty in understanding something so basic. You're inability to understand, for instance, the definition of sexual assault had you pathetically trying to insinuate something against me. Like the cowardly refusal of MCT to answer you also hid away rather than explaining what you meant by that previous, now deleted, post. 

You'd be surprised how little I care about sex offenders being reminded of their past crimes. If he doesn't want to be reminded of the time he drove around finding vulnerable women to sexually assault he probably shouldn't have drove around sexually assaulting women. 

And, well, they haven't drawn a line under it have they? They haven't mentioned it at all. Fans have, in reasonably large numbers, and I would say further comment is needed. Even from those who have no issue with the signing have said their refusal to acknowledge fans concerns is an issue. 

I don't attach any importance to P&B or the forum (certainly less than MCT do anyway). And, yes, there was debate and controversy about it and the club refused to acknowledge it then it died down. It's never brought up until the club manage to publicly skirt around it. I don't know if you know what a forum is for but when the club, for instance, publicly release statements condemning chanting about sexual assault, publicly release statements saying they wont be answering questions about the decision to sign a player with previous charges for sexual assault or publicly release statements condemning fans for reminding players about their previous sexual assault charges then I think that makes them worthy topics of discussion. It's the club that bring it up without, actually, bringing it up. It's an elephant in the room.

Also strange that you seem to be able to gauge the wider support of Morton fans despite, clearly, being a Wee Nigel. Who are you canvassing about this? The  majority of Morton fans I know do not frequent this board, only a couple as far as I know, and maybe double that use the Morton board. If anything the ones that use the message boards are more accepting of Lithgow's signing that those who don't. Of the, say, a dozen Morton fans I speak to regularly I know of three who haven't been to Cappielow since he signed. Our average crowd is down about 200 or so from pre-covid levels. There could be many reasons for this and maybe the folk I know who aren't going back while he's there are the only ones doing so. But no-one, not you, I, nor the club can dismiss the idea that crowds are lower than they could be because we signed a sex offender. 

This idea that it is only an issue for a tiny proportion of fans has no basis in reality. It may well be the case but there's no poll that you've conducted to evidence your claims. The Morton board had a wee vote when he signed and it was about 75/25 split not bothered/against the signing. Are we a big enough club to dismiss the worries of a quarter of our fans? Is any club big enough? Considering we are a fan owned club can you think of any other membership led organisation that would just outright dismiss the concerns of a quarter of their members without even acknowledging their concerns?

And the club can make whatever decision they want and we can all congratulate or condemn them for them decisions. If you find the topic so boring you could always ignore those that bring it up but, as usual, you can't help but get the last word in and refuse to let any argument lie which makes your faux-outrage about people still having concerns about the clubs attitude to this all the more hypocritical. 

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11 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Yes the club have made two statements: neither of which address the issue. I don't see what's hard to grasp about that. But you are, unequivocally, a floundering mess so I understand your difficulty in understanding something so basic. You're inability to understand, for instance, the definition of sexual assault had you pathetically trying to insinuate something against me. Like the cowardly refusal of MCT to answer you also hid away rather than explaining what you meant by that previous, now deleted, post. 

You'd be surprised how little I care about sex offenders being reminded of their past crimes. If he doesn't want to be reminded of the time he drove around finding vulnerable women to sexually assault he probably shouldn't have drove around sexually assaulting women. 

And, well, they haven't drawn a line under it have they? They haven't mentioned it at all. Fans have, in reasonably large numbers, and I would say further comment is needed. Even from those who have no issue with the signing have said their refusal to acknowledge fans concerns is an issue. 

I don't attach any importance to P&B or the forum (certainly less than MCT do anyway). And, yes, there was debate and controversy about it and the club refused to acknowledge it then it died down. It's never brought up until the club manage to publicly skirt around it. I don't know if you know what a forum is for but when the club, for instance, publicly release statements condemning chanting about sexual assault, publicly release statements saying they wont be answering questions about the decision to sign a player with previous charges for sexual assault or publicly release statements condemning fans for reminding players about their previous sexual assault charges then I think that makes them worthy topics of discussion. It's the club that bring it up without, actually, bringing it up. It's an elephant in the room.

Also strange that you seem to be able to gauge the wider support of Morton fans despite, clearly, being a Wee Nigel. Who are you canvassing about this? The  majority of Morton fans I know do not frequent this board, only a couple as far as I know, and maybe double that use the Morton board. If anything the ones that use the message boards are more accepting of Lithgow's signing that those who don't. Of the, say, a dozen Morton fans I speak to regularly I know of three who haven't been to Cappielow since he signed. Our average crowd is down about 200 or so from pre-covid levels. There could be many reasons for this and maybe the folk I know who aren't going back while he's there are the only ones doing so. But no-one, not you, I, nor the club can dismiss the idea that crowds are lower than they could be because we signed a sex offender. 

This idea that it is only an issue for a tiny proportion of fans has no basis in reality. It may well be the case but there's no poll that you've conducted to evidence your claims. The Morton board had a wee vote when he signed and it was about 75/25 split not bothered/against the signing. Are we a big enough club to dismiss the worries of a quarter of our fans? Is any club big enough? Considering we are a fan owned club can you think of any other membership led organisation that would just outright dismiss the concerns of a quarter of their members without even acknowledging their concerns?

And the club can make whatever decision they want and we can all congratulate or condemn them for them decisions. If you find the topic so boring you could always ignore those that bring it up but, as usual, you can't help but get the last word in and refuse to let any argument lie which makes your faux-outrage about people still having concerns about the clubs attitude to this all the more hypocritical. 

If you don’t attach any importance to P&B forums why do you insist on posting so much self important pompous shit on it.?

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Watching a View From The Terrace and your keeper, Flapjack, is getting a lot of praise, however Morton have just been described as "a really terrible football team." Just thought I'd share that in case any of you missed it. :)

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3 hours ago, Branch Ton said:

If you don’t attach any importance to P&B forums why do you insist on posting so much self important pompous shit on it.?

Because I'm self important and pompous and, therefore, attach importance to my own posts.

Your slevvering ravings, however, are immediately forgotten about after I've finished laughing at them

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18 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Because I'm self important and pompous and, therefore, attach importance to my own posts.

Your slevvering ravings, however, are immediately forgotten about after I've finished laughing at them

Shame your sense of self importance didn't prompt you to attain a better command of syntax before your functioning neuron .deteriorated. The world would be a better place  if you kept your moralistic pish to yourself.

There is a certain irony in the fact that you are being white knighted by a twisted wee dick who earned his coin peddling junk food to kids on behalf of a globalised entity. Where does he feature on your opprobriumometer?

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On 27/11/2021 at 17:51, Branch Ton said:

There is a certain irony in the fact that you are being white knighted by a twisted wee dick who earned his coin peddling junk food to kids on behalf of a globalised entity. Where does he feature on your opprobriumometer?

No idea who yer on about but, in general, selling food is probably more acceptable than sexual assault.

Kinda weird yer comparing the two to be honest.

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3 hours ago, Branch Ton said:

Shame your sense of self importance didn't prompt you to attain a better command of syntax before your functioning neuron .deteriorated. The world would be a better place  if you kept your moralistic pish to yourself.

There is a certain irony in the fact that you are being white knighted by a twisted wee dick who earned his coin peddling junk food to kids on behalf of a globalised entity. Where does he feature on your opprobriumometer?

Wtf is this?

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On 26/11/2021 at 08:23, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Yes the club have made two statements: neither of which address the issue. I don't see what's hard to grasp about that. But you are, unequivocally, a floundering mess so I understand your difficulty in understanding something so basic. You're inability to understand, for instance, the definition of sexual assault had you pathetically trying to insinuate something against me. Like the cowardly refusal of MCT to answer you also hid away rather than explaining what you meant by that previous, now deleted, post. 

You'd be surprised how little I care about sex offenders being reminded of their past crimes. If he doesn't want to be reminded of the time he drove around finding vulnerable women to sexually assault he probably shouldn't have drove around sexually assaulting women. 

And, well, they haven't drawn a line under it have they? They haven't mentioned it at all. Fans have, in reasonably large numbers, and I would say further comment is needed. Even from those who have no issue with the signing have said their refusal to acknowledge fans concerns is an issue. 

I don't attach any importance to P&B or the forum (certainly less than MCT do anyway). And, yes, there was debate and controversy about it and the club refused to acknowledge it then it died down. It's never brought up until the club manage to publicly skirt around it. I don't know if you know what a forum is for but when the club, for instance, publicly release statements condemning chanting about sexual assault, publicly release statements saying they wont be answering questions about the decision to sign a player with previous charges for sexual assault or publicly release statements condemning fans for reminding players about their previous sexual assault charges then I think that makes them worthy topics of discussion. It's the club that bring it up without, actually, bringing it up. It's an elephant in the room.

Also strange that you seem to be able to gauge the wider support of Morton fans despite, clearly, being a Wee Nigel. Who are you canvassing about this? The  majority of Morton fans I know do not frequent this board, only a couple as far as I know, and maybe double that use the Morton board. If anything the ones that use the message boards are more accepting of Lithgow's signing that those who don't. Of the, say, a dozen Morton fans I speak to regularly I know of three who haven't been to Cappielow since he signed. Our average crowd is down about 200 or so from pre-covid levels. There could be many reasons for this and maybe the folk I know who aren't going back while he's there are the only ones doing so. But no-one, not you, I, nor the club can dismiss the idea that crowds are lower than they could be because we signed a sex offender. 

This idea that it is only an issue for a tiny proportion of fans has no basis in reality. It may well be the case but there's no poll that you've conducted to evidence your claims. The Morton board had a wee vote when he signed and it was about 75/25 split not bothered/against the signing. Are we a big enough club to dismiss the worries of a quarter of our fans? Is any club big enough? Considering we are a fan owned club can you think of any other membership led organisation that would just outright dismiss the concerns of a quarter of their members without even acknowledging their concerns?

And the club can make whatever decision they want and we can all congratulate or condemn them for them decisions. If you find the topic so boring you could always ignore those that bring it up but, as usual, you can't help but get the last word in and refuse to let any argument lie which makes your faux-outrage about people still having concerns about the clubs attitude to this all the more hypocritical. 

What a pile of utter self-indulgent crap. Absolute cringeworthy garbage. 
 

So let’s cut to the chase. There are two very straightforward issues here.  First, the  manager of this football club wished to sign a player. The player is a convicted sex offender who was punished for his crimes and has no history of re-offending. The board at the time, and presumably MCT who were about to take over the club, discussed the matter, gave the go-ahead and the player was signed. No comment regarding the player’s past  was needed, nor was any offered. That’s how signings work. Clubs do not have to comment beyond the usual welcome-to-the -club platitudes; nor do they have to disclose who amongst the decision-makers was for or against the signing. It’s called collective responsibility and is common practice in business. The signing was mildly controversial amongst some of the support but that soon died down - with the exception of a few fans who refuse to let it go, you amongst them. One fan on the Morton board even ran a poll hoping to get an overwhelming majority voting against the signing, but when only a small number voted and voted roughly 3 to 1 in favour of the signing he quietly dropped it as he wasn’t getting the result he wanted. 

Second, the club has since felt it necessary to make two statements in support of their player. Again, they quite rightly did not address his offences because there is no need to do so; he was punished for his crimes and we all move on. The first statement was made in order to stop any repeat of a few numskulls singing a daft wee song that they thought was funny. The second was to condemn abuse aimed at the player after he had been sent off last weekend. And according  to virginton that abuse came from one solitary fan. One. Solitary. Fan. That’s how low the level of feeling is that this matter generates now. The vast majority of the support don’t give Lithgow or any other player a moment’s thought between a quick chat about a Saturday game during the first teabreak at work on Monday and the naming of the team before the next game.
 

These are the facts, plain and simple. I’m not emotionally involved in this matter at all, I’m simply stating the facts, All the posturing by the likes of you and vt is just mouth music, looking to make a non-issue into an issue. The more you regurgitate the same old lines the more you make yourself look a dick. That’s your prerogative, but it doesn’t have get bloody tedious.

 


 

 

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13 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

No idea who yer on about but, in general, selling food is probably more acceptable to sexual assault.

Kinda weird yer comparing the two to be honest.

And what about using MDMA before a cricket match given  you have adopted such  an offender's name as your online ID?  Methinks that you are an utter charlatan who simply gets off on faux outrage.

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13 minutes ago, Branch Ton said:

And what about using MDMA before a cricket match given  you have adopted such  an offender's name as your online ID?  Methinks that you are an utter charlatan who simply gets off on faux outrage.

Personally I'm all for the use of MDMA before any situation. It is a fantastic recreational drug. I highly recommend you give it a go.

But, just so we're keeping score, you think selling food and dropping an ecto are on the same level as hunting down multiple women to sexually assault?

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1 hour ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

Personally I'm all for the use of MDMA before any situation. It is a fantastic recreational drug. I highly recommend you give it a go.

But, just so we're keeping score, you think selling food and dropping an ecto are on the same level as hunting down multiple women to sexually assault?

Oh dear, now you truly are just sounding like some fucked up brain dead moralist with a grudge.

I hope  down the line your rehab works well and isn’t interrupted by some deluded loon who thinks it cool to harass MDMA abusers trying to reform. 

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5 minutes ago, Branch Ton said:

Oh dear, now you truly are just sounding like some fucked up brain dead moralist with a grudge.

I hope  down the line your rehab works well and isn’t interrupted by some deluded loon who thinks it cool to harass MDMA abusers trying to reform. 

You might be taking this place a little too seriously m9, trust me, I speak from experience.

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24 minutes ago, Branch Ton said:

Oh dear, now you truly are just sounding like some fucked up brain dead moralist with a grudge.

I hope  down the line your rehab works well and isn’t interrupted by some deluded loon who thinks it cool to harass MDMA abusers trying to reform. 

I just want to make sure I've got this right.

You're using the fact that someone sells food for a living giving me a green dot as a way of attacking me. You're using a long dead cricket player enjoying some disco biscuits as a way of attacking me and you think I'm the one who sounds fucked up, brain dead and carrying a grudge?

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2 hours ago, AsimButtHitsASix said:

I just want to make sure I've got this right.

You're using the fact that someone sells food for a living giving me a green dot as a way of attacking me. You're using a long dead cricket player enjoying some disco biscuits as a way of attacking me and you think I'm the one who sounds fucked up, brain dead and carrying a grudge?

You really are exposing yourself now,---albeit as a complete twit. Your disco biscuits carry a seven year jail time for possession. But heyho let's not let your appetite for them and your condoning the actions of sportsmen users get in the way of posting endless moralising pish filled with pejorative assertions about players.

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