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4 hours ago, TheGoon said:

I don’t know what game Col was watching, McGeever looked miles out of dis depth (and by all accounts was the exact same against Forfar) 

Grant was solid though.

Yeah I was told by a mate at the game he was dreadful too.  

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14 hours ago, TheGoon said:

I don’t know what game Col was watching, McGeever looked miles out of dis depth (and by all accounts was the exact same against Forfar) 

Grant was solid though.

Out his depth by winning every header and just about every tackle?  He never looked out of his depth at any point in the game.

Maybe you can point out what I missed?

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19 hours ago, virginton said:

So how did we effortlessly ship three goals in barely fifty minutes then if all our centre backs were so great? 

Because none of the CB's were at fault. One came from the RB position after a misplaced pass by McAlister I think. 

2nd was a penalty by Tumilty

3rd was from the LB position as Wotherspoon showed a nice bit of skill to be fair 

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It appears that minds were made up on McGeever before the game even kicked off. He was the best of the 3 CBs easily. 

If Grant was also named as a trialist the other night and not a signed player, he wouldn't be getting any praise whatsoever. 

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20 hours ago, virginton said:

So how did we effortlessly ship three goals in barely fifty minutes then if all our centre backs were so great? 

Because that's how football works. Any match day of any season you'll find teams with excellent midfields/defences/goalkeepers shipping three goals or more, often against teams thought to be inferior. 

Plus we're talking here about guys who have played at most one full game together previously and haven't had long enough to work out an understanding and whow best to work as a unit. 

Straightforward stuff; I'm surprised you didn't know this. Or were you just trying to start an argument yet again or look like a smartarse? 

58 minutes ago, Colkitto said:

Because none of the CB's were at fault. One came from the RB position after a misplaced pass by McAlister I think. 

2nd was a penalty by Tumilty

3rd was from the LB position as Wotherspoon showed a nice bit of skill to be fair 

Anyway, there's your answer. Consider yerself telt. 

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Because none of the CB's were at fault. One came from the RB position after a misplaced pass by McAlister I think. 
2nd was a penalty by Tumilty
3rd was from the LB position as Wotherspoon showed a nice bit of skill to be fair 


No, because the whole point of having three centre backs on the pitch is that one should come across and mop up whatever clusterfuck goes on in the wide areas. Just defending the way you’re facing and abdicating all responsibility for the three goals that your defence ships anyway is not a good performance at all.

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5 minutes ago, virginton said:

 


No, because the whole point of having three centre backs on the pitch is that one should come across and mop up whatever clusterfuck goes on in the wide areas. Just defending the way you’re facing and abdicating all responsibility for the three goals that your defence ships anyway is not a good performance at all.

 

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So you’ve got nothing then. As standard as the shrieking meltdown you’ll have yet again when the same players are shipping goals to plumbers and fishermen in November and you’re wondering why oh why this was allowed to happen.

It’s our very own Scouse boom-bust cycle.

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Yup, ignoring the realities and just looking for an argument. 

Yet again. 

 

 

Sad. 

*sigh*.......... 

 

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1 hour ago, Rudolph Hucker said:

Because that's how football works. Any match day of any season you'll find teams with excellent midfields/defences/goalkeepers shipping three goals or more, often against teams thought to be inferior. 

Yet no sane person would leave said match and say 'boy, the centre backs really had a great game in that 0-3 shoeing by Alloa!' And so here we are, with your predictably moronic 'contribution'.

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Plus we're talking here about guys who have played at most one full game together previously and haven't had long enough to work out an understanding and whow best to work as a unit. 

That's a (barely) mitigating circumstance for piss-poor defending, not a reason to start grading on a curve and say that they had a 'great' performance when they quite clearly did not. 

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😆 You really do chug yourself into a creaming frenzy over these exchanges, don't you?

Like I said earlier........      Sad. 

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38 minutes ago, virginton said:

So you’ve got nothing then. As standard as the shrieking meltdown you’ll have yet again when the same players are shipping goals to plumbers and fishermen in November and you’re wondering why oh why this was allowed to happen.

It’s our very own Scouse boom-bust cycle.

Hoppy talking about the Trialist CB McLean "I thought he was excellent."  How can he say that about a CB who played in a defence that lost 3 goals?  

I thought he had a great game also, but the other two performed better on the night.  Just my opinion right enough... 

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It's almost as if we can take 'Hoppy's justification for his latest panic signing and file it immediately in the bin where it belongs. 

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1 minute ago, virginton said:

It's almost as if we can take 'Hoppy's justification for his latest panic signing and file it immediately in the bin where it belongs. 

Can I take you're not a fan of Hoppy in the same way you were not a fan of Duffy and JJ? 

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What with him being the sixteenth manger of the club since 2000, I think that the same degree of scepticism is required in judging Hopkin's current actions as any of his predecessors. And if Duffy or Johannsson had done the exact same business in the transfer window to date then this thread would be in a state of total meltdown right now. 

There's an alarming degree of blind faith and wishful thinking on display at the moment, which rarely works out well for us (see the last fifteen predecessors). 

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1 hour ago, virginton said:

What with him being the sixteenth manger of the club since 2000, I think that the same degree of scepticism is required in judging Hopkin's current actions as any of his predecessors. And if Duffy or Johannsson had done the exact same business in the transfer window to date then this thread would be in a state of total meltdown right now. 

There's an alarming degree of blind faith and wishful thinking on display at the moment, which rarely works out well for us (see the last fifteen predecessors). 

The difference with Hoppy with the others is he won back to back promotions on a shoestring budget.

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Hmm, some dilemma.......    whether to cut some slack before the season even starts for a manager who had a very good playing career, gained a few Scotland caps and most importantly has a proven record of success at this level, or pay some heed to the foam-speckled rankings of a boy who hates the manager for unknown reasons, has never had any connection with professional football apart from criticising it and spends what seems to be every moment spreading bile around every corner of the interweb instead of trying to finally get himself emptied when not on his jack jones......

 

It’s a toughie.

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7 hours ago, Rudolph Hucker said:

Hmm, some dilemma.......    whether to cut some slack before the season even starts for a manager who had a very good playing career, gained a few Scotland caps and most importantly has a proven record of success at this level, or pay some heed to the foam-speckled rankings of a boy who hates the manager for unknown reasons, has never had any connection with professional football apart from criticising it and spends what seems to be every moment spreading bile around every corner of the interweb instead of trying to finally get himself emptied when not on his jack jones......

 

It’s a toughie.

It wasn't too long ago that sections of the Morton fanbase were treating Finnish international Jonatan Johannsson with similar hushed tones of respect (read: wishful thinking) and trying to dismiss all scrutiny of both his previous record and performance. And that worked out just terrifically for them and for the club. 

Anyone who still defers to the infallible judgment of The Manager after fifteen others have traipsed in and out of the dugout in less than two decades needs their head checked out. 

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8 hours ago, gmfc said:

The difference with Hoppy with the others is he won back to back promotions on a shoestring budget.

Which obviously buys him some faith and trust that he knows what he’s doing, but equally doesn’t mean we should blindly believe he’ll turn everyone he signs into an excellent Championship player and have us waltz effortlessly into the playoffs.

The back three he had to work with at Livingston was Declan Gallagher, Craig Halkett and Alan Lithgow. A back three of Peter Grant (injury-prone, only played 10 games last season), Brian McLean (34, been playing at a lower level for the last two years) and Ryan McGeever ( released by Brechin after two successive relegations, including being part of the worst team this division has ever seen) would be unlikely to be a similarly solid foundation to build on, if we do sign the latter two.

No one’s writing any signings off before seeing them in competitive action, but it’s perfectly sensible to look at players’ track records as a guide to how good they are and anyone who says they’re happy with the calibre of centre back we’re reportedly looking at is at it. No one’s writing anyone off, but being concerned is entirely reasonable.

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