Mr Bairn Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Leagues The top two national leagues would contain 16 teams each, followed by a regional pyramid system. Promotion between the Premiership and Championship would be an automatic 2-up, 2-down as well as a playoff between 14th, 3rd, 4th and 5th. The bottom 3 clubs in the championship would drop into the regional structure with the winners of each region joining the championship, and then the three regional 2nd place teams would join 12th place in the championship in the playoffs. Both playoff tournaments would take the form of home+away semi-finals followed by a one off final at Hampden. Tier 1 - Premiership 1. Celtic 2. Aberdeen 3. Inverness 4. St Johnstone 5. Dundee United 6. Dundee 7. Hamilton 8. Partick 9. Ross County 10. Kilmarnock 11. Motherwell 12. St Maureen 13. Hearts 14. Sevco 15. Hibs 16. QOS Tier 2 - Championship 1. Falkirk 2. Raith 3. Dumbarton 4. Livingston 5. Alloa 6. Cowdenbeath 7. Morton 8. Stranrear 9. Forfar 10. Brechin 11. Airdrie 12. Peterhead 13. Dunfermline 14. Ayr 15. Stenhousemuir 16. Albion Rovers From there downwards you'd have a regional pyramid with leagues of 14/16 wherever possible. North region (58 teams: Montrose, Elgin, Arbroath, 18 highland leaguers and 37 junior teams) - 16 team conference North, and then 3 divisions of 14 West region (105 teams: Queen's Park, Annan, Clyde, BSC Glasgow, Dalbeattie Star, East Kilbride, Gretna2008, Threave Rovers, 14 from the South of Scotland league and 83 junior teams) - 16 team conference West and then six tiers below this, two 16's, one 15 and two 14's East region(91 teams: Remaining 4 SPFL3 and remaining 9 LL clubs as well as 17 EoS league teams and 61 junior teams) - 16 team conference East and then five tiers below this, two 16's, one 15 and two 14's Obviously the numbers would change slightly year on year depending on who is relegated from the championship but the simple idea would be to have a 16 team conference at the top of each region and then league of 14/15/16 downwards There would be a drop in league games to protect against the elements, however we would play more cup games. Scottish Cup All 286 teams would take part, with the preliminary tournaments taking place in the first half of the season and the tournament proper after christmas. 128 teams would be involved in the tournament proper, with all teams going into a completely random draw. -32 teams from the national leagues -48 teams from the 3 conferences -48 qualifiers 206 teams would fight the preliminary rounds, first of all you have the bottom 28 clubs fighting the QR1, leaving 192 teams to play a simple 2 round knockout tournament to determine the 48 teams in the proper tournament. League cup Group stage tournament to replace lost league games. The 32 clubs playing in national leagues take part. A seeded draw to give 8 groups of 4 consisting of 2 Prem teams and 2 Championship teams each, 6 group games early on in the season followed by 2 legged knockouts Scottish FA trophy Knockout tournament played by all clubs in the regional levels Regional vase competitions Regional knockout tournaments for all East/West/North teams Sample season (Based on 2015/16 dates, midweek in brackets) July -Pre season friendlies August 1 League cup matchday 1 (League cup matchday 2) 2 League cup matchday 3 (League cup matchday 4) 3 Matchday 1 4 Matchday 2 5 Matchday 3 September 1 League cup matchday 5 (League cup matchday 6) 2 Matchday 4 3 Matchday 5 4 Matchday 6 October 1 League cup R16 Saturday/Wednesday 2 Matchday 7 3 Matchday 8 4 Matchday 9 5 League cup QF Saturday/Wednesday November 1 Matchday 10 2 Matchday 11 3 Matchday 12 4 League cup SF Saturday/Wednesday December 1 ***Break*** 2 ***Break*** 3 Matchday 13 (Matchday 14) 4 Matchday 15 January 1 Scottish Cup R128 2 Matchday 16 (Scottish cup replays) 3 Matchday 17 4 Matchday 18 5 Scottish Cup R64 February 1 Matchday 19 (Scottish cup replays) 2 Matchday 20 3 Scottish Cup R32 4 Matchday 21 (Scottish cup replays) March 1 Matchday 22 (Matchday 23) 2 Scottish Cup R16 3 Matchday 24 4 Matchday 25/League cup final April 1 Scottish Cup QF (Matchday 25 for teams in LC final) 2 Matchday 26 (Cup replays) 3 Matchday 27 (Matchday 28) 4 Matchday 29 5 Scottish cup semi finals May 1 Matchday 30 (Playoff first leg midweek) 2 Playoff second leg 3 Playoff finals weekend @ Hampden 4 Scottish cup Final @ Hampden Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 So basically - scrap 8 games from the league season and the Challenge Cup; add 6 sectional cup games and meaningless mid-tables? And dump 10 clubs out of the national leagues and League Cup? Also, you've disregarded international and European dates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 So basically - scrap 8 games from the league season and the Challenge Cup; add 6 sectional cup games and meaningless mid-tables? And dump 10 clubs out of the national leagues and League Cup? Also, you've disregarded international and European dates. Aye but apart from that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
supermik Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Long way for a shortcut just to get the Rangers back in the big league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 The Polish split season model gives 37 games for 16 teams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Ekstraklasa The points total is divided by two after 30 games to minimise the number of meaningless games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 Tier 1 - Premiership 1. Celtic 2. Aberdeen 3. Inverness 4. St Johnstone 5. Dundee United 6. Dundee 7. Hamilton 8. Partick 9. Ross County 10. Kilmarnock 11. Motherwell 12. St Maureen 13. Hearts 14. Sevco 15. Hibs 16. QOS ^^^ Big team found Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 31, 2015 Author Share Posted May 31, 2015 So basically - scrap 8 games from the league season and the Challenge Cup; add 6 sectional cup games and meaningless mid-tables? And dump 10 clubs out of the national leagues and League Cup? Also, you've disregarded international and European dates. League cup games on international dates m9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted May 31, 2015 Share Posted May 31, 2015 My Model:Premiership - 1. Celtic CL 2. Aberdeen EL 3. Inverness EL 4. St Johnstone (EL Possibly) 5. Dundee United 6. Dundee 7. Hamilton 8. Partick 9. Ross County 10. Kilmarnock 11. Motherwell 12. St Maureen PO F 13. Hearts R 14. Hibs R Playing everyone three times, done on a annual rotation so if United played Celtic twice at Tannadice one season, the next the fixture will be played twice at Parkhead. Total 39 Games Championship: 1. Queen of the South C 2. The Rangers P 3. Falkirk PO SF 4. Raith PO QF 5. Dumbarton PO QF 6. Livingston 7. Alloa Athletic 8. Cowdenbeath 9. Greenock Morton 10. Stranraer PO 11. Forfar R12. Brechin R 38 Games, with a split, two down auto and one going into a play-off [insert generic name here] League 12 teams, Same format as Prem with Relegation Play-off Then Regional leagues with North and North Eastern juniors incorperated into HL and HL 2, and South East with West Juniors in LL and LL2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockjock Posted June 1, 2015 Share Posted June 1, 2015 Not so keen on this idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The Polish split season model gives 37 games for 16 teams: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Ekstraklasa The points total is divided by two after 30 games to minimise the number of meaningless games. Off-topic but ex-Hamilton striker Flávio Paixão is 2nd top scorer in that league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 f**k splits and so on. 30 games is plenty with more league cup games. we play too much league football as it is. some games in the depths of winter with low crowds can end up costing clubs more money to put on than they make back in revenue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pab-10 Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 f**k splits and so on. 30 games is plenty with more league cup games. we play too much league football as it is. some games in the depths of winter with low crowds can end up costing clubs more money to put on than they make back in revenue. P!sh, The league is every clubs bread and butter. How can you play more league cup games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danejag Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Great attempt at reconstruction, Mr. Bairn. Better than anything SFA has ever come up with, in my opinion. I agree with the general thought behind your idea that we need: Bigger and fewer leagues Further regionalisation (North, West and East) Integration of juniors Reform of the cups More promotion/relegation spaces between leagues In practice, I think a top league of 14 would strike the right balance. Still not convinced about the value of the current system of playoffs, but they definitely add to the excitement. If the system could be adapted to avoid the mid-table boredom, which could be the effect of the bigger leagues, that would be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 Great attempt at reconstruction, Mr. Bairn. Better than anything SFA has ever come up with, in my opinion. I agree with the general thought behind your idea that we need: Bigger and fewer leagues Further regionalisation (North, West and East) Integration of juniors Reform of the cups More promotion/relegation spaces between leagues In practice, I think a top league of 14 would strike the right balance. Still not convinced about the value of the current system of playoffs, but they definitely add to the excitement. If the system could be adapted to avoid the mid-table boredom, which could be the effect of the bigger leagues, that would be great. The problem with a league of 14 is that I've never actually seen a plan for that which would really strike the right balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 The problem with a league of 14 is that I've never actually seen a plan for that which would really strike the right balance. 26 is too short. If you're going with a simple double round robin then 16 teams is the minimum. 14 would work with a 7-7 split (26 game regular season, 12 game split) however you'd have a team in each half doing sweet FA every weekend. Maybe 6-8 would work better however the teams near the top of the 8 would have little to play for. Halving the points would help this (ie The split would be worth only slightly less than the regular season) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionel hutz Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 The problem with a league of 14 is that I've never actually seen a plan for that which would really strike the right balance. 39 Games and playing 6 teams Twice at home once away one season, and then (the other) 7 twice at home the next season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted June 2, 2015 Author Share Posted June 2, 2015 39 Games and playing 6 teams Twice at home once away one season, and then (the other) 7 twice at home the next season A rotation like that works in the 6 nations or the NFL when it's the same cohort of teams every year but our league needs a balanced system. Honestly I'm not sure 14 is feasible. Should either be 10 or 16+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 26 is too short. If you're going with a simple double round robin then 16 teams is the minimum. 14 would work with a 7-7 split (26 game regular season, 12 game split) however you'd have a team in each half doing sweet FA every weekend. Maybe 6-8 would work better however the teams near the top of the 8 would have little to play for. Halving the points would help this (ie The split would be worth only slightly less than the regular season) I don't think all the complication is worth moving to 14 teams. It just seems to me that 12 works better than 14. So if there's really a will for bigger leagues it would have to be 16 - and try to make that work financially. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danejag Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 14 teams - 26 games Split 7/7 - 6 additional games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 2, 2015 Share Posted June 2, 2015 14 teams - 26 games Split 7/7 - 6 additional games There surely has to be a better way than having a system where one team in each section doesn't have a game each week (apart from anything else you wouldn't have all teams finish the season at the same time). I just don't see it being worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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