Fide Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 This thread is about what would happen after independence not a debate on whether or not it would be a good idea. We have enough of those No we haven't. I agree with the thread title. I am also interested in the discussion as my weans are being educated in England The sad thing is that the rest of the post is utter self-aggrandising shite Your avatar makes me want to vomit. That is all. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/11616847/SNP-admits-failing-to-close-schools-gap-in-eight-years.html Kev quoting the right win, agenda driven press again. Quelle surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I agree with the thread title. I am also interested in the discussion as my weans are being educated in England The sad thing is that the rest of the post is utter self-aggrandising shite Evidently not interested enough to contribute... "I'm interested because it doesn't apply to my family..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Getting an education is not wholly about getting a job.its about free childcare too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 Reckon my 2:1 will do me fine on my PGDE tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 A 2:1 in Aeronautical Engineering is for thickos in the world of Oaksoft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The word I used was "mediocre" not "thicko". Ah that makes it so much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 So you are describing someone who gets a degree that is above average as "mediocre" You appear to want to have some sort of master race where only people with a first degree can have a job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 So you are describing someone who gets a degree that is above average as "mediocre" You appear to want to have some sort of master race where only people with a first degree can have a job If that means that those of us who do not have a first class degree wouldn't need to work i'm all in favour of it. I have four 'O' grades and a bronze award in swimming. i just post that so folk can feel superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 If that means that those of us who do not have a first class degree wouldn't need to work i'm all in favour of it. I have four 'O' grades and a bronze award in swimming. i just post that so folk can feel superior. I'm there with you brother, although I got six 'O' Grades. If a 2:1 is mediocre, I dread to think what adjective would be used to describe myself. I feel as if I should just end my life now. It's been nice knowing y'all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I'm there with you brother, although I got six 'O' Grades. If a 2:1 is mediocre, I dread to think what adjective would be used to describe myself. I feel as if I should just end my life now. It's been nice knowing y'all TBF, you probably lack the intelligence to be able to end your life. Now if only you had some life experience of being a mass murderer, you would be so much better qualified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 TBF, you probably lack the intelligence to be able to end your life. Now if only you had some life experience of being a mass murderer, you would be so much better qualified. True I would probably try and slit my wrists with a rubber knife. Do they offer degrees in Mass Murder? If I got a first in that I would be adequately qualified to carry out the sorry deed. Think I need to look up a few uni prospectuses. Mind you knowing my luck I would only get a 2:1 and only have the credentials to be able to seriously wound myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I wouldn't call a 2:1 above average to be honest. I don't know what it was like years ago, but on my course the vast majority graduated with 2:1s, and from the people who got degrees from my school year most got 2:1s. These days coming out with a 2:2 is a bit of a disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 With school pass rates down, exam presentations down, college places down, University access more of a closed shop than in England from the perspective of the disadvantaged and some of the lowest maintenance grants in Europe... I think Scotland needs to take a hard look at its education system irrespective of its constitutional arrangements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ad Lib Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I wouldn't call a 2:1 above average to be honest. I don't know what it was like years ago, but on my course the vast majority graduated with 2:1s, and from the people who got degrees from my school year most got 2:1s. These days coming out with a 2:2 is a bit of a disaster. In 2013-14 according to HESA, 72% of full-time students graduating did so with a first or upper-second in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 A 2:1 certainly is mediocre academically. So many people attain that grade that it is fast becoming meaningless. A 2:1 is now where the 2:2 used to be 20-30 years ago. It's not me saying that. It's a combination of business and also any number of performance indicators comparing the UK to other countries. We are lagging behind a substantial number of other countries on all academic and business indicators and we're getting worse. You can't keep ignoring evidence because it doesn't suit your point of view. Really ? I'd say it's harder to get a 2:1 in the subject I'm studying than it is to get a 1st in the subject you studied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 A 2:1 certainly is mediocre academically. So many people attain that grade that it is fast becoming meaningless. A 2:1 is now where the 2:2 used to be 20-30 years ago. It's not me saying that. It's a combination of business and also any number of performance indicators comparing the UK to other countries. We are lagging behind a substantial number of other countries on all academic and business indicators and we're getting worse. You can't keep ignoring evidence because it doesn't suit your point of view. My point of view is that having a degree is not the be all and end all. Many talented people successfully forge a career without one. You obviously think otherwise. As for chips on shoulders I think you should leave that particular line as you are notorious around here for having the biggest one on Pie and Bovril about young people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted May 26, 2015 Share Posted May 26, 2015 I think Scotland needs to take a hard look at its education system irrespective of its constitutional arrangements. Libby, which parts do you think need addressing? This is a genuine question. I did my Highers in Motherwell and my degree in London. What should be addressed? The school system (all comprehensive) or the exam system (doing a lot of subjects before Uni)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I think Oaksoft is guilty (guilty) of loving the first degree.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 University for too many young adults has become a lifestyle choice rather than a chosen career path. It isn't a sustainable model, neither as an investment for the Country or in the Individual student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRob72 Posted May 27, 2015 Share Posted May 27, 2015 I wouldn't call a 2:1 above average to be honest. I don't know what it was like years ago, but on my course the vast majority graduated with 2:1s, and from the people who got degrees from my school year most got 2:1s. These days coming out with a 2:2 is a bit of a disaster. Prospective employers looking at the 2:2 on your CV know that you've had 3 hard years on the piss !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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