The_Kincardine Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I'm not sure why I’m supposedly not able to reply coherently, perhaps you would enlighten me on this one? The point I was trying to make was the Birmingham six were sentenced to life in prison to then later have their sentences quashed and they were released after a miscarriage of justice, in the event of a state using Capital punishment these six would almost certainly have been given the death penalty and could have been executed by the time it was decided there had been a miscarriage of justice. One person wrongly executed after a miscarriage of justice is too many. I worded my reply more harshly than I should have done. I apologise. I just don't like the 'don't have capital punishment in case we get it wrong' argument since it implies that capital punishment is ok if we are sure we get it right. My take is that our government shouldn't be in the business of executing crims full stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I worded my reply more harshly than I should have done. I apologise. I just don't like the 'don't have capital punishment in case we get it wrong' argument since it implies that capital punishment is ok if we are sure we get it right. My take is that our government shouldn't be in the business of executing crims full stop. Is that just because there's no money to be made? What if they contracted it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 I worded my reply more harshly than I should have done. I apologise. I just don't like the 'don't have capital punishment in case we get it wrong' argument since it implies that capital punishment is ok if we are sure we get it right. My take is that our government shouldn't be in the business of executing crims full stop. Tell that to Saddam and Osama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Tell that to Saddam and Osama. He can't; they were executed by foreign governments. Oh, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WFAANW Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 You have a really shit taste in films....just saying..... ^Killian imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I worded my reply more harshly than I should have done. I apologise. I just don't like the 'don't have capital punishment in case we get it wrong' argument since it implies that capital punishment is ok if we are sure we get it right. I'd say that argument completely blows any argument to the contrary out of the water with more ease than any other though. Which is why nobody has been able to argue it since it was brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romeo Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 So killing is wrong. So lets kill people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San Starko Rover Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I worded my reply more harshly than I should have done. I apologise. I just don't like the 'don't have capital punishment in case we get it wrong' argument since it implies that capital punishment is ok if we are sure we get it right. My take is that our government shouldn't be in the business of executing crims full stop. Fair enough, I take your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 I'd say that argument completely blows any argument to the contrary out of the water with more ease than any other though. Which is why nobody has been able to argue it since it was brought up. Aye but it should be argued alongside other reasons why capital punishment cannot be used regardless of whether all doubt has been quashed. Otherwise arguing that the potential of innocent people being killed is the only reason to avoid bringing it back lends legitimacy to supporters' other arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 23, 2015 Share Posted May 23, 2015 The alternative to capital punishment for the most serious crimes now seems to be life in prison without the chance of parole, sometimes in solitary confinement. That sounds at least as bad to me as execution. Anis Sardar has just been given a minimum 38 year sentence for building IEDs during the Iraq war. He left Iraq 8 years ago and has been working as a cab driver in London, where he's from and his family lives. He's 38, so won't be eligible for parole until he's 76. The only reason he was found guilty was that one of his bombs killed an American soldier, the Iraqi victims don't count. To him, he was fighting in a war, Iraq had been invaded illegally without agreement with the UN, but for some reason he's not covered by the Geneva Convention. Here's what the Judge said in summing up: I take into account your age, previous good character, the evidence of your two character witnesses and the fact that, for about eight years since your return to England, there is no evidence of you holding any extremist views or participating in any actions of an aggressive nature against anyone. https://www.judiciary.gov.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/r-v-sardar-sentencing.pdf P.S. I don't have much sympathy for the guy, his main defense seems to have been that he was only trying to kill Shia Muslims, but compare his sentence to your average child murderer and it seems extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tamdunk Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No, killing people is wrong and shouldn't be sanctioned by the state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No. Killing is always wrong at certainly doesn't address the causes of crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No. Murder is almost definitely bad and if I can't do it, I don't see why anyone else should have any fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I think most people would rather die that spend 35 years in jail as a nonce Most murders that go on are usually people who get into problems with the wrong people but the likes of the Soham murderer and Roy Whiting a few years previous its hard to not wish death upon them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I think most people would rather die that spend 35 years in jail as a nonce Most murders that go on are usually people who get into problems with the wrong people but the likes of the Soham murderer and Roy Whiting a few years previous its hard to not wish death upon them. I'm not so sure on that. In the States, people on death row almost always take the appeals process as far as they can. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execution-list-2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thankuplz Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I'm not so sure on that. In the States, people on death row almost always take the appeals process as far as they can. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/execution-list-2015 I do think we have this overiding urge to survive, so as much as death is 'easier' people will generally fight tooth and nail against it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
throbber Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 Fair enough - not sure how i would feel if given either option mind you! I don't think capital punishment is the way forward but can see why people want it brought back for extreme cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 No. The state should not be killing people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 25, 2015 Share Posted May 25, 2015 The alternative to capital punishment for the most serious crimes now seems to be life in prison without the chance of parole, sometimes in solitary confinement. That sounds at least as bad to me as execution. Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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