Kyle Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Looking forward to re-electing Sandra White in my constituency already tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Looking forward to hopefully getting rid of a Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 Tactical voting is effective if organised over time - it worked, for example, to get rid of all Tory MPs in the first place. The campaign at the GE was not effective because it was not well established and stank of pure panic. In Ian Murray's seat, a seat with a fair amount of traditional Tory voters, the Tory vote was reduced well below the Scottish average. Without a detailed poll of the constituency we will never know but I wouldn't be surprised if tactical voting was a factor here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Looking forward to hopefully getting rid of a Tory. Amen, brother. Highly embarrasing, that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 In general I would agree, but it may have played a part in Ian Murray retaining his seat. The Tory vote only slipped by 800 or so, and it'd be odd to call Lib Dems voting for Labour "tactical" in a seat they only lost by 216 votes in 2010. Bad press for the SNP candidate got Murray in by default. I don't think there's a case for tactical voting to have played a part in any seat at all in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 In Ian Murray's seat, a seat with a fair amount of traditional Tory voters, the Tory vote was reduced well below the Scottish average. Without a detailed poll of the constituency we will never know but I wouldn't be surprised if tactical voting was a factor here. Yes, but the SNP boy Hay did himself no favours with his historic tweets. Murray carried a big Jambo support also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Yes, but the SNP boy Hay did himself no favours with his historic tweets. Murray carried a big Jambo support also. There was VERY little wrong with Hay's historic tweets. It was the media portrayal of said tweets which did for Hay, spurred on by a gleeful Labour party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 There was VERY little wrong with Hay's historic tweets. It was the media portrayal of said tweets which did for Hay, spurred on by a gleeful Labour party. Totally agree, it got far more media coverage than it merited; a good example to those who claim the media has little or no impact. I would have been glorious if we had taken this seat too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todders Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Why would tactical voting "take off in a bigger way" in a proportional system? Cos unionists are a bit thick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 There was VERY little wrong with Hay's historic tweets. It was the media portrayal of said tweets which did for Hay, spurred on by a gleeful Labour party. I don't think the tweets were a major factor, I think it was more to do with the fact that Edinburgh South has one of the highest concentrations of rUK born people in Scotland, who would rather vote anyone other than the SNP. There's also the fact that Murray is pretty popular with the Hearts contingent. Edinburgh South was the only seat that the SNP weren't really close to winning so I think there's an argument that tactical voting was in place. Could probably say the same in Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale where the SNP were miles ahead a week or so before polling day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 20, 2015 Share Posted May 20, 2015 Could probably say the same in Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale where the SNP were miles ahead a week or so before polling day. Did Ashcroft not have them 11% ahead?! It looked almost certain that if the Tories were going to have any Scottish seats, it'd be in BRS. Could probably be argued that tactical voting may have played a part, considering that Mundell actually increased his share of the vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I don't think the tweets were a major factor, I think it was more to do with the fact that Edinburgh South has one of the highest concentrations of rUK born people in Scotland, who would rather vote anyone other than the SNP. There's also the fact that Murray is pretty popular with the Hearts contingent. Edinburgh South was the only seat that the SNP weren't really close to winning so I think there's an argument that tactical voting was in place. Could probably say the same in Dumfriesshire, Clydesdale & Tweeddale where the SNP were miles ahead a week or so before polling day. As Sooky said, Ashcroft had the SNP comfortably ahead in Edinburgh South. It was the media demonisation of Neil Hay which allowed Murray to cling on to his seat. Conversely, I don't remember the SNP ever being "miles ahead" in D, C & T. Did Fluffily Mundelly not win his seat by about 900 votes? Also, Shetland voted SNP. It was only Orkney that saved that piece of shit Carmichael. All told, I think the SNP were something like 4,500 votes shy of winniing every seat in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 As Sooky said, Ashcroft had the SNP comfortably ahead in Edinburgh South. It was the media demonisation of Neil Hay which allowed Murray to cling on to his seat. Conversely, I don't remember the SNP ever being "miles ahead" in D, C & T. Did Fluffily Mundelly not win his seat by about 900 votes? I was referring to the Ashcroft poll for DCT, not Edinburgh South. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I was referring to the Ashcroft poll for DCT, not Edinburgh South. I seem to remember Edinburgh South looking more comfortable for the SNP than D, C & T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I was referring to the Ashcroft poll for DCT, not Edinburgh South. Unless Ashcroft did another one for Mundell's seat, that I've forgotten about, the poll had it as neck and neck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Slightly OT but things would have been so much harder for Labour if we had won Murray's seat. No Scottish Labour MPs and having to appoint someone representing an English or Welsh constituency as their Scottish spokesperson would have made hem even more vulnerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Unless Ashcroft did another one for Mundell's seat, that I've forgotten about, the poll had it as neck and neck An Ashcroft poll at the start of April had 36% SNP and 34% Tory. One at the end of April had 42% SNP and 31% Tory. So I was actually quite shocked that Mundell held on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I seem to remember Edinburgh South looking more comfortable for the SNP than D, C & T. I dont think he ever polled Edinburgh South Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I dont think he ever polled Edinburgh South Quick Twitter check suggests he did on 20th April. 37% SNP to 34% Labour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Quick Twitter check suggests he did on 20th April. 37% SNP to 34% Labour. My dearest apologies to confi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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