Kyle Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 That said, a little humility from the SNP's supporters wouldn't go amiss. The SNP don't have a monopoly on knowledge and would be better respected if they learned to tolerate differing points of view a little more. I have been "Yes" since the late 1980s and the SNP has come on so much since that time. But there are elements of their talk-left-act-right agenda that may come back to haunt them in the medium term. I think they are wrong on council tax and wrong on income tax. They also need to be careful not to let complacency and arrogance in. That's what killed new Labour at the turn of the century, with a similarly massive majority. Well, that and Tony Blair going mad. No one expects anything other than a vast SNP win next year. But a victory delivered on the back of a now slightly tarnished lustre and the laughably pisspoor quality of the main opposition parties can ring slightly hollow. Time for the SNP to be a bit bolder I think, rather than creeping around trying not to offend anybody. A visionary plan for a second majority term is needed along with the guts to see it through. Couldn't agree more. There's a feeling that the SNP are treading water at the moment, happy just to win election after election because the opposition is so poor and they've got 45% of the vote sewn up before the campaigns even begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Couldn't agree more. There's a feeling that the SNP are treading water at the moment, happy just to win election after election because the opposition is so poor and they've got 45% of the vote sewn up before the campaigns even begin. In fairness they will always have at least 45% sewn up before any election, until independence or another major party backs independence . At LEAST... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergie's no1 fan Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 SNP support by age; 16-34: 72% 35-54: 64% 55+: 43% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Personally, I love it when folk like you "ask questions" of the SNP because they're, without fail, stupid questions showing up the barely concealed wee tantrum you're having that your own party is being continually electorally reamed by the "nats". You wont see any tantrum's from me,i respect peoples democratic rights to vote for who they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 In fairness they will always have at least 45% sewn up before any election, until independence or another major party backs independence . At LEAST... Labour's Holyrood branch cannot and will not ever back independence, as it will be clear how opportunistic they are being, abandoning their alleged belief in the UK as a nation state to chase votes. Beyond that, no would ever trust them to actually offer and fight an indyref, even if they did a 180 and said "look - we're not British nationalists anymore!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 In fairness they will always have at least 45% sewn up before any election, until independence or another major party backs independence . At LEAST... Can't you see that's a ridiculous position for our politics to be in though? Labour used to weigh the votes, got complacent/arrogant and are now (apparently) a complete irrelevance in Scotland, both at Westminster and Holyrood. The SNP are showing signs of that complacency themselves with numerous scandals, wishy washy budgets and nothing particularly inspiring or vote winning in their policies. They've got the community links which they seem to be maintaining reasonably well, and they've got a committed army of activists, young and old, I just don't want to see the momentum lost through complacency and entitlement. For me, the SNP shouldn't be resting on their laurels just now. They've got the election sewn up, barring a complete nuclear meltdown, so they should be setting out a clear direction for Scotland/Holyrood/their Government. Swinney's budget is pretty much the definition of 'meh'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Haha haha Fantastic News!!!! Merry Christmas to you all, especially all the Yes lads.... u know who you are!! Got bad news for you after next may's SNP huge win, you will still be #betterTogether Merry christmas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Couldn't agree more. There's a feeling that the SNP are treading water at the moment, happy just to win election after election because the opposition is so poor and they've got 45% of the vote sewn up before the campaigns even begin. I see this a lot. The SNP are happy to win election after election. And yet every soundbite, quote, tweet, e mail etc from Nicola Sturgeon all the way down to activists says the polls are good but we can't afford to sit back and relax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 I see this a lot. The SNP are happy to win election after election. And yet every soundbite, quote, tweet, e mail etc from Nicola Sturgeon all the way down to activists says the polls are good but we can't afford to sit back and relax. It's all very well saying that, but what evidence is there that they're not sitting back and relaxing? I can't think of much that really defines a direction the Scottish government are currently taking, other than treading water and not upsetting anyone. A lot of big talk, but I'm not seeing too much action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Got bad news for you after next may's SNP huge win, you will still be #betterTogether Merry christmas. But North British Labour won't be. Pleasing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Scottish politics is just all a bit boring now. We either need the Conservatives to beat Labour into second place, or the Greens to challenge the Tories or Labour, or the Socialists to start winning seats or something just to make it a tad more unpredictable. This time last year was fun trying to predict what big majorities the SNP could actually topple, in the end no one predicted they'd have won as many as they actually managed. Now all we can do is come up with about 3 holyrood seats that they *might* not win and then try to apportion the regional list somehow. Current back of a fag packet prediction: The SNP will win every constituency in Scotland apart from Orkney (LD) and Ayr, Eastwood and Ettrick, Roxborough & Berwickshire (all CON) Greens will win a seat in every region, and 2 in Lothians. The Lib Dems will only win 2 seats. Liam McArthur will hold on in Orkney and they'll keep their regional seat in the North East. Past and present party leaders Tavish Scott and Willie Rennie will be in the dole queue The SNP will win an overall majority of 33 SNP 81 LAB 25 CON 13 GRN 8 LD 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It's all very well saying that, but what evidence is there that they're not sitting back and relaxing? I can't think of much that really defines a direction the Scottish government are currently taking, other than treading water and not upsetting anyone. A lot of big talk, but I'm not seeing too much action. What do you want them to do? E mail you an itinerary of their activity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Got bad news for you after next may's SNP huge win, you will still be #betterTogether Merry christmas. Merry Christmas Kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Can't you see that's a ridiculous position for our politics to be in though? Labour used to weigh the votes, got complacent/arrogant and are now (apparently) a complete irrelevance in Scotland, both at Westminster and Holyrood. The SNP are showing signs of that complacency themselves with numerous scandals, wishy washy budgets and nothing particularly inspiring or vote winning in their policies. They've got the community links which they seem to be maintaining reasonably well, and they've got a committed army of activists, young and old, I just don't want to see the momentum lost through complacency and entitlement. For me, the SNP shouldn't be resting on their laurels just now. They've got the election sewn up, barring a complete nuclear meltdown, so they should be setting out a clear direction for Scotland/Holyrood/their Government. Swinney's budget is pretty much the definition of 'meh'. It is a bit ridiculous. Only independence will resolve it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Couldn't agree more. There's a feeling that the SNP are treading water at the moment, happy just to win election after election because the opposition is so poor and they've got 45% of the vote sewn up before the campaigns even begin. I don't get that at all. The way I see it they can only work within the legal framework Westminster gives them and fight for as much as they can until such time as we're independent. Independence is the big vision, in effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antlion Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 It is a bit ridiculous. Only independence will resolve it This. Scotland is a region. Labour, the Tories and the Lib Dems campaigned for it to remain a region. That's why their bleating about Scotland being a "one party state" shows them to be lying, venal b*****ds. Regions of states, which is what they want Scotland to be, are often espoused to one particular party which the people think will give their region a voice at national level. It used to be Labour, now it's the SNP. It is actual states that are free to have different regional interests - if Scotland achieves statehood, I have no doubt the political landscape will change and competing parties will find support in different areas of the new state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 That you crying again fide because someone dared to ask question's of the SNP. Maybe you would prefer a north korea style democracy in scotland. People can ask questions all they want. They can also criticise. However, they have to remember if their contribution is just more one-sided SNPBad, they'll probably draw criticism on themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 That said, a little humility from the SNP's supporters wouldn't go amiss. The SNP don't have a monopoly on knowledge and would be better respected if they learned to tolerate differing points of view a little more. I have been "Yes" since the late 1980s and the SNP has come on so much since that time. But there are elements of their talk-left-act-right agenda that may come back to haunt them in the medium term. I think they are wrong on council tax and wrong on income tax. They also need to be careful not to let complacency and arrogance in. That's what killed new Labour at the turn of the century, with a similarly massive majority. Well, that and Tony Blair going mad. No one expects anything other than a vast SNP win next year. But a victory delivered on the back of a now slightly tarnished lustre and the laughably pisspoor quality of the main opposition parties can ring slightly hollow. Time for the SNP to be a bit bolder I think, rather than creeping around trying not to offend anybody. A visionary plan for a second majority term is needed along with the guts to see it through. It's more about independence than the SNP. It would be nice to see the Geeen Party, as another pro-Independence Party, doing well. This might finally get the likes of the Lib-Dems to change their position on the constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scary Bear Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 But North British Labour won't be. Pleasing. Is there any hope for SLAB? Do any young people still vote for them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted December 21, 2015 Share Posted December 21, 2015 Is there any hope for SLAB? Do any young people still vote for them? What little voters they have left are towards t'other end of the age spectrum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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