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I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit itching to hear the Tories forced to describe Mhairi Black as the "Right honourable member for Paisley & Renfrewshire South" etc etc

On a point of order, she's "only" the Honourable Member. Only if you're a privy counsellor are you a Right Honourable Member.

Alex Salmond is the only Rt. Hon. SNP MP, having been appointed to the Privy Council when he was First Minister.

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I'm not going to lie, I'm a little bit itching to hear the Tories forced to describe Mhairi Black as the "Right honourable member for Paisley & Renfrewshire South" etc etc

On a purely pedantic point, is "Right Honourable" not only reserved for members of the Privy Council? "Honourable" used for everyone else.

Edit: Damn you, The Master!

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They should also be getting loads more tv time on the politics shows (daily politics, question time, Marr et al) which will help as well. The fact they are not in some sort of arrangement with labour in government means they can be on the offensive on these shows.

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On a purely pedantic point, is "Right Honourable" not only reserved for members of the Privy Council? "Honourable" used for everyone else.

Edit: Damn you, The Master!

To be uber-pedantic about it, being an MP makes you the "Honourable Member for [constituency]"; it doesn't make you an "Honourable Lady/Gentleman". On the other hand, being a Privy Counsellor makes you a "Right Honourable Lady/Gentleman".

And as an extra titbit, if you're a QC, you get "and learned" in there as well ("The Hon. and learned..." or "The Rt. Hon. and learned..."); if you're an ex-army officer, you get "and gallant". So if you're addressing an ex-army officer who is also a QC and Privy Counsellor, and represents Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, make sure you take a deep breath.

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To be uber-pedantic about it, being an MP makes you the "Honourable Member for [constituency]"; it doesn't make you an "Honourable Lady/Gentleman". On the other hand, being a Privy Counsellor makes you a "Right Honourable Lady/Gentleman".

And as an extra titbit, if you're a QC, you get "and learned" in there as well ("The Hon. and learned..." or "The Rt. Hon. and learned..."); if you're an ex-army officer, you get "and gallant". So if you're addressing an ex-army officer who is also a QC and Privy Counsellor, and represents Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, make sure you take a deep breath.

Just sums up what a load of archaic old shite the UK is. Same with the Houses of 'Commons' and 'Lords', the sooner we're out of the 18th century shitehole that is the UK the better.

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Just sums up what a load of archaic old shite the UK is. Same with the Houses of 'Commons' and 'Lords', the sooner we're out of the 18th century shitehole that is the UK the better.

That's just the tip of the iceberg. Go and look up the procedure for "resigning" from the House of Commons.

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When does the parliament reconvene btw? IIRC the first item of business is always to re-appoint Bercow as the speaker, and if a simple motion to re-appoint him is not passed then it will go to secret ballot.

Alex Salmond for speaker? :lol:

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That's just the tip of the iceberg. Go and look up the procedure for "resigning" from the House of Commons.

Without looking at Wikipedia, am I right in saying that it's technically impossible to resign? From what I remember, an MP who expresses a wish to stand down gets appointed to some committee by the Chancellor, and being on this committee makes the person ineligible to be an MP, triggering a by-election?

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When does the parliament reconvene btw? IIRC the first item of business is always to re-appoint Bercow as the speaker, and if a simple motion to re-appoint him is not passed then it will go to secret ballot.

Alex Salmond for speaker? :lol:

A week today.

David Cameron has confirmed that he won't oppose Bercow's re-election, but don't be surprised if they try to bring back the bit of chicanery that William Hague tried on the final day of the last parliament (making the Speaker re-election a secrete ballot).

Of course, if they did try to oppose Bercow it would cause a bit of a stir in Buckingham where his constituents returned him as "Speaker".

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Without looking at Wikipedia, am I right in saying that it's technically impossible to resign? From what I remember, an MP who expresses a wish to stand down gets appointed to some committee by the Chancellor, and being on this committee makes the person ineligible to be an MP, triggering a by-election?

More or less. You apply for, and are appointed to be, either the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead, or the Crown Steward and Bailiff of the three Chiltern Hundreds of Stoke, Desborough and Burnham.

Both are classed as offices of profit under the Crown, which excludes the holders from sitting in parliament.

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To be uber-pedantic about it, being an MP makes you the "Honourable Member for [constituency]"; it doesn't make you an "Honourable Lady/Gentleman". On the other hand, being a Privy Counsellor makes you a "Right Honourable Lady/Gentleman".

And as an extra titbit, if you're a QC, you get "and learned" in there as well ("The Hon. and learned..." or "The Rt. Hon. and learned..."); if you're an ex-army officer, you get "and gallant". So if you're addressing an ex-army officer who is also a QC and Privy Counsellor, and represents Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, make sure you take a deep breath.

Out of interest, I often hear the Speaker address a member by their constituency. Do they need to know all 650 MPs constituencies?! Or do the clerks in front of him help with that?

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It'll be interesting to see how it plays out.

If the new SMs make there points solely about Scotland this will stoke up nationalist feelings both sides of the border.

If she, NS, is true to her word and and approaches things from a 'right for the entire UK' she could easily gain favour from many across the UK and isolate the Tory stance.

It might have little consequence in the short term outside of demos but long term......

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A week today.

David Cameron has confirmed that he won't oppose Bercow's re-election, but don't be surprised if they try to bring back the bit of chicanery that William Hague tried on the final day of the last parliament (making the Speaker re-election a secrete ballot).

Of course, if they did try to oppose Bercow it would cause a bit of a stir in Buckingham where his constituents returned him as

"Speaker".

Is that likely? A large number of Tory backbenchers rebelled on that vote, which is why they lost. Bercow is seen as the champion of the backbencher. With such a slim majority, surely Cameron won't risk alienating them?

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They should also be getting loads more tv time on the politics shows (daily politics, question time, Marr et al) which will help as well. The fact they are not in some sort of arrangement with labour in government means they can be on the offensive on these shows.

It's London........they will be ignored by all.

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