AberdeenBud Posted July 19, 2015 Share Posted July 19, 2015 This year alone Andy has reached the Australian Open final, the French and Wimbledon semis, won Munich, Madrid and Queens and led his country to the Davis Cup semis. An incredible record. Just a.Slam and/or Davis cup to round it off nicely but still more than most professionals will come close to achieving in their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Bob Paisley, Arigo Sachi and Carlo Ancellotti have all got valid claims And Mourinho has already got his second European Cup Paisleys achievements hardly match up, to win one of his European trophies he had to beat Crusaders, Trabzonspor, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Monchengladbach. The next time it was Dresden, Benfica, Monchengladbach and Brugge. Its hardly comparable to the quality and depth in European football during Fergies years. Ferguson also had more trophies, and didnt have the benefit of taking over a side built by Bill Shankley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Paisley didn't have Sky and plc dosh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The OP Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Paisleys achievements hardly match up, to win one of his European trophies he had to beat Crusaders, Trabzonspor, St Etienne, FC Zurich and Monchengladbach. The next time it was Dresden, Benfica, Monchengladbach and Brugge. Its hardly comparable to the quality and depth in European football during Fergies years. Ferguson also had more trophies, and didnt have the benefit of taking over a side built by Bill Shankley. While you may be right, this post makes the horrible mistake of thinking that because a team and/or league is not particularly good now, said team and/or league was not particularly good in the 1970s.It also tends to ignore the fact that Ferguson won one of his CLs as a non-champion, which wasn't possible in the 70s/80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 While you may be right, this post makes the horrible mistake of thinking that because a team and/or league is not particularly good now, said team and/or league was not particularly good in the 1970s. It also tends to ignore the fact that Ferguson won one of his CLs as a non-champion, which wasn't possible in the 70s/80s. I think we've successfully managed to contradict the "Without Question" part of RandomGuy's claim What is really impressive about Ferguson's career isn't so much the rate at which he bagged trophies but the fact that he kept operating at that level for so long. Others have burnt far brighter but few for so long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 I think we've successfully managed to contradict the "Without Question" part of RandomGuy's claim What is really impressive about Ferguson's career isn't so much the rate at which he bagged trophies but the fact that he kept operating at that level for so long. Others have burnt far brighter but few for so long That's what makes him so great imo. His ability to repeatedly build title winning teams and get the best out of bang average players was second to none. The winner has to be Andy Murray though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 While you may be right, this post makes the horrible mistake of thinking that because a team and/or league is not particularly good now, said team and/or league was not particularly good in the 1970s. It also tends to ignore the fact that Ferguson won one of his CLs as a non-champion, which wasn't possible in the 70s/80s. Theres no question the modern version of the CL is harder to win than the old one I think we've successfully managed to contradict the "Without Question" part of RandomGuy's claim People also question whether World Leaders are actually human.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 RG over egging the pudding, as is his wont. It may be harder to win the CL once you're there, but that's counteracted by the fact it's certainly a lot easier to qualify for. Not as decisive as you're making out and as the OP says several of the teams you don't seem to rate were elite teams in their era. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 They were only classed as "elite" because you only had to beat the Bulgarian champions to reach the Champions League Quarters... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 And win your own league, numerous times consecutively in some cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Sir Alex is the most successful manager in the history of football, without question. No other Scotsman has that sort of baggage to fight on their side. If we're going by only "players" of a sport, then no, hes not. But if we're going for Scotsmen who were involved in a sport i don't see anyone who comes close. You could make a case for Gordon Murray born to Scots parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You could make a case for Gordon Murray born to Scots parents. You really couldn't. Arguably the greatest football manager of all time against some bloke who designed cars? Pass the peace pipe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You could make a case for Gordon Murray born to Scots parents. You really couldn't. Arguably the greatest football manager of all time against some bloke who designed cars? Pass the peace pipe. Pitting (nae pun) one guy who facilitated sporting success vs another guy who facilitated sporting success? Of course you could. At least Gordon Murray doesn't have Berwick Rangers on his CV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightmare Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Pitting (nae pun) one guy who facilitated sporting success vs another guy who facilitated sporting success? Of course you could. At least Gordon Murray doesn't have Berwick Rangers on his CV. At least Sir Alex (who doesn't have Berwick Rangers on his CV) actually has a sport on his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Pitting (nae pun) one guy who facilitated sporting success vs another guy who facilitated sporting success? Of course you could. At least Gordon Murray doesn't have Berwick Rangers on his CV. Nope, it's an utterly horrific shout. Arguably not Scottish or sporting related, apart from that superb. Can only hope you were trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 You really couldn't. Arguably the greatest football manager of all time against some bloke who designed cars? Pass the peace pipe. I think the point is that "Scotsmen who were involved in a sport" is a very dubious definition. One suspects that if younger Manchester United Fans realised that, thanks to Platini, it's Denis Law and not Dalglish that's Scotland's only Balon D'Or recipient they'd pursue that line instead. Law certainly deserved a mention on this thread before now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 At least Sir Alex (who doesn't have Berwick Rangers on his CV) actually has a sport on his. Nope, it's an utterly horrific shout. Arguably not sporting related, . With mention of Jim Clarke and Jackie Stuart we've already established that F1 is a sport. With the inclusion of Sir Awex we have also established that non-participants can be included. Anyway, the answer has to be someone who changed the face of the sport they participated in. Ergo, Jim Clark and Dougal Haston are the only two contenders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomGuy. Posted July 20, 2015 Share Posted July 20, 2015 Obvious cretin is obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted August 2, 2015 Share Posted August 2, 2015 Either Murray or Hoy, really cant split them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
++Ammo - Airdrie++ Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 do world championships define greatness? If so then Alex "tattie" Marshall has won 19, stop the bus we have a winner!!!! Surprised he hasn't been mentioned more, he's dominated the bowls world for a while, winning numerous world championships (6 indoor, the current record), multiple commonwealth golds (silvers and bronzes) captained his country in multiple home internationals and most famously "got it up" the English at Kelvingrove in the Glasgow commonwealths recently with one of the best bowls, and celebrations I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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