Ashman Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Let me tell you something . No tooth fairy & no magic money tree . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Funny how the developed countries that didn't practice austerity and actually increased spending, got to pre recession levels a lot quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Let me tell you something . No tooth fairy & no magic money tree . I don't think anyone of an SNP/ Yes persuasion is under any illusions in that respect. What IS certain however, is that there are at least 134 different ways the Conservatives can look to reduce spending before pushing vulnerable people closer to the edge of the precipice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Funny how the developed countries that didn't practice austerity and actually increased spending, got to pre recession levels a lot quicker. Those countries were ran prudently with largely sustainable income and expenditure . Uk , ireland and others ran bubbles . I want a sustainable society not one based on sand and non sustainable promises . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Those countries were ran prudently with largely sustainable income and expenditure . Uk , ireland and others ran bubbles . I want a sustainable society not one based on sand and non sustainable promises . That can only be done by growth. Not imaginary growth but good growth spawned by wise investment. Austerity harms meaningful growth. As for sustainable society. Any society that's happy to throw the bottom 10% to the dogs is no society at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 That can only be done by growth. Not imaginary growth but good growth spawned by wise investment. Austerity harms meaningful growth. As for sustainable society. Any society that's happy to throw the bottom 10% to the dogs is no society at all. Completely agree. What is galling is when people, including those who know better, talk about 'the economy' in the same way as they talk about the weather; as if it is a natural force over which societies have no control. We have a great deal of control over how to organise our economies, we just need the political will to exercise that control. We are rapidly returning to dogmatic politics where economic theory is used as a tool to meet specific political objectives regardless of the effectiveness of the policies and the long term societal damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 Anyone who doesn't see how the Tories are using the financial difficulties over the last few years to hammer the poor and restructure the economy to benefit the better off is quite frankly a moron. The type of person who thinks using the phrase 'economically illiterate' makes them sound clever because they've heard a hundred other people use the phrase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted June 30, 2015 Share Posted June 30, 2015 No one wants "austerity " but we can't keep borrowing and borrowing . Sorrow to rain on the groupthink here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 No one wants "austerity " but we can't keep borrowing and borrowing . Sorrow to rain on the groupthink here. As I said before, not "borrowing and borrowing" is working out just super for Gideon. Since 2010, national debt has DOUBLED from over £700bn to £1.5 trillion. Do you realise how much IDS and his sadistic chums stand to "save" from welfare reform? I'll give you a hint - it's a fucking drop in the ocean compared to unpaid corporate tax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 No one wants "austerity " but we can't keep borrowing and borrowing . Sorrow to rain on the groupthink here. In what way is the current government not "borrowing and borrowing"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashman Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 In what way is the current government not "borrowing and borrowing"? You are right, they are borrowing too much . It is not sustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 1, 2015 Share Posted July 1, 2015 You are right, they are borrowing too much . It is not sustainable. Behave yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Funny how the developed countries that didn't practice austerity and actually increased spending, got to pre recession levels a lot quicker. Is there a source for this anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Is there a source for this anywhere? http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2015/car031315a.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/survey/so/2015/car031315a.htm Iceland benefited from not baling out the private sector. They did see a dramatic fall in living standards though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Iceland benefited from not baling out the private sector. They did see a dramatic fall in living standards though. I think that was inevitable. No one in their right mind could say that things wouldn't get worse in the situation there was. However Iceland as I see it was an example of 'All being in it together'. The point is the recovery has worked and has not been done in the disgraceful way it is being done here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I think that was inevitable. No one in their right mind could say that things wouldn't get worse in the situation there was. However Iceland as I see it was an example of 'All being in it together'. The point is the recovery has worked and has not been done in the disgraceful way it is being done here. Pity the UK and EU didn't go down the same path. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 Pity the UK and EU didn't go down the same path. With the UK austerity is entirely ideological. It wouldn't matter if you could demonstrate to the Tories that they could save money by stopping austerity. They want to reform welfare and take away from poor people and they'll find any excuse they can to do so. They're basically out-Thatchering Thatcher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted July 3, 2015 Share Posted July 3, 2015 With the UK austerity is entirely ideological. It wouldn't matter if you could demonstrate to the Tories that they could save money by stopping austerity. They want to reform welfare and take away from poor people and they'll find any excuse they can to do so. They're basically out-Thatchering Thatcher. I was refrerring to the other side of the issue - private debt. If the UK, US & EU did not bail out the financial sector then we would probably have had the short sharp pain endured by Iceland and in doing so setting a new standard of living base rather than the continued errosion that we have experienced over 7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted July 5, 2015 Share Posted July 5, 2015 Sunday Herald has a piece on mad, failed historian who called Black a 'slut'. Classy stuff from the Yoonyists. http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/home-news/outrage-as-one-of-scotlands-top-female-academics-called-new-snp-mp-mhairi-black-a-slu.131024789 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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