Fide Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 SNP BAD!!! There you go Kev, a handy formula for all your future posts. You're welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/24/eu-young-people-vote-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw Maybe the snp can exlain why they bang on about the voting age but never even tabled a amendment after the 2nd reading to allow 16/17 to vote. This from the inclusive UK government. I reject, too, the suggestion that EU citizens living in the UK should be included. The referendum is about delivering a pledge to the British people to consult them about the future of their country. It would be a travesty to seek to include EU nationals whose interests might be very different from those of the British people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Caroline Lucas (Brighton, Pavilion) (Green): I want to press the Foreign Secretary again on the question of extending the franchise to 16 and 17-year-olds. The answer he gave about why we should not do it—because it is an issue of national importance—is the main reason he should do it. He said that he did not want to deviate from the franchise for Westminster, but he is already doing that by extending it to peers. Why not let young people have a say on their future, which is what this Bill is about? Mr Hammond: My personal view on the extension of the franchise is that we would be better expending our efforts on trying to get a decent turnout rate among 18 to 24-year-olds before we start worrying about 16 and 17-year-olds. So there you have it. The fact that not enough 18-24yr olds vote is reason to exclude 16-17. NO answer to the change in franchise to include peers???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 That's utterly pathetic reasoning from Hammond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Surely it would make sense that if you got people interested in politics when they were 17 they would be more likely to vote when they were 18. Hammond is a total c**t anyway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 That's utterly pathetic reasoning from Hammond. If that's his reasoning, he should have called for a ban on all Scotland-based English people from voting in last year's referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Salmond takes a pop at the Lords being included: The franchise to be used is not the general election franchise, because Members of the House of Lords are to be empowered to vote. I know that Conservative Members are frightfully worried about the idea of prisoners being accorded the right to vote because of the European convention, but there are six ex-prisoners in the House of Lords who will be enfranchised by the Foreign Secretary’s proposals. The Foreign Secretary says, “Of course Members of the House of Lords should be able to vote. However, this is an advisory, not a binding, referendum. The House of Lords will have its say on whether a proposal is enacted after the referendum.” However, the Government cannot say that it is to be a general election franchise and then start to change the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 There you go Kev, a handy formula for all your future posts. You're welcome. According to many they can do no wrong, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Tories making up the rules as they go along. Anyone surprised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fide Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 According to many they can do no wrong, That is correct. You're learning. Now, to business - You lost. Get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Wait - did you not predict something similar about the recent election? He thought 55:45 was a landslide for BT in the independence campaign. So "landslide" going by H_B's definition is a relative term. I think the likelihood is the Yes campaign will win, but by a narrower margin than what the recent referendum was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/24/eu-young-people-vote-referendum?CMP=share_btn_tw Maybe the snp can exlain why they bang on about the voting age but never even tabled a amendment after the 2nd reading to allow 16/17 to vote. Maybe but I guess that they will point out that the amendment that they proposed would, if passed, have sunk the whole bill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 . I think the likelihood is the Yes campaign will win, but by a narrower margin than what the recent referendum was. Then, as with most things, you think wrong. The margin of victory for "Stay" here will be way way higher then the cocking No dished out to Yes in the SI referendum. Absolutely disgraceful stuff from Hammond incidentally... he has overtaken Jeremy Hunt as the most dislikeable Tory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AberdeenBud Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Wow, that's our Foreign Secretary there folks. Travesty indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Then, as with most things, you think wrong. The margin of victory for "Stay" here will be way way higher then the cocking No dished out to Yes in the SI referendum. Absolutely disgraceful stuff from Hammond incidentally... he has overtaken Jeremy Hunt as the most dislikeable Tory. That takes some doing too. I'm still firmly in the 'don't know' camp on this. I like a bit of anarchy, so might vote to leave for the shits and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Absolutely disgraceful stuff from Hammond incidentally... he has overtaken Jeremy Hunt as the most dislikeable Tory. Probably the first thing we have agreed on for a while. Although I am not sure how much is his own doing especially in regards to the franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Not to sound all hipsterish but Hammond has been my least favourite tory for a long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherrif John Bunnell Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Hammond is a massive p***k, but it's hard to call him the most dislikeable Tory when that party has Theresa May, David Davis and Michael fucking Gove in their ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TapothehullDee Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Why vote at 16-17 if you can't drink, old enough to vote, old enough to drink in my view. Too many age limits, etc, 16-18-21, should be a universal age for becoming an adult, not this shambles we have now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Hammond is a massive p***k, but it's hard to call him the most dislikeable Tory when that party has Theresa May, David Davis and Michael fucking Gove in their ranks. I'll raise you Ian Duncan Smith, Gideon Osborne and John Redwood. Theresa May has a majority of just over 29000. Only the SNP can overturn a majority like that. Need to get them down to maidenhead next election Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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