~~~ Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 Lord Foulkes He blocked me last night on twitter, despite months of bating him, he finally snapped when I told him GIRFUY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Dugdale to furiously claim the SNP stole the branch office policies (including the ones regarding devolved matters) before sitting in a chair, rocking away saying "we told you a vote for SNP meant a Tory government". It's funny cos Ian Murray on radio Scotland this morning accused the SNP of stealing policies Labour had been "working on" for years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Only having 5 months to turn it around is deflection from what was clearly a poorly run campaign. He thought because you can talk Scotland down and make all kinds of threats during the referendum. That somehow it could be a winning strategy during the election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 It's funny cos Ian Murray on radio Scotland this morning accused the SNP of stealing policies Labour had been "working on" for years Any politician accusing another party of 'stealing' a policy is just outing themselves as a piece of garbage with no morals. Politicians are supposed to be working for the good of the people, not the bragging rights to a policy. People here have always disliked that sort of politics, but now it seems they are increasingly actually being turned away from those who peddle them. It's no surprise that the types who spout that sort of garbage have sunk Labour and are still thrashing impotently, blaming the electorate and insulting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 One question that has to be asked is whether there is any desire by existing grassroots members in Scotland to move to the left. Haven't seen much to suggest so; they've all seemed quite happy to go with the Tory Lite agenda that has been advanced by London for years. Most on the left of Labour have drifted (or even sprinted) away over a long period of time as the party has become more right wing. TBH I just don't see the impetus for SLab to do the sort of things that are being suggested on here and that they rightly need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Immaterial who they choose really from the slate above - they're finished for good as an electoral force here without splitting from head office, rebranding and relaunching. The scales fell from a LOT of people's eyes round about the time of the referendum, and the current setup are never going to be forgiven for jumping into bed with the Tories to launch Project Fear. The clueless negative campaign they ran this time, with Murphy seeming to think he was just the correct one big lie away from everything returning to the way things were before, sums up how bereft of ideas and out of touch they are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Any politician accusing another party of 'stealing' a policy is just outing themselves as a piece of garbage with no morals. Politicians are supposed to be working for the good of the people, not the bragging rights to a policy. People here have always disliked that sort of politics, but now it seems they are increasingly actually being turned away from those who peddle them. It's no surprise that the types who spout that sort of garbage have sunk Labour and are still thrashing impotently, blaming the electorate and insulting them. One question that has to be asked is whether there is any desire by existing grassroots members in Scotland to move to the left. Haven't seen much to suggest so; they've all seemed quite happy to go with the Tory Lite agenda that has been advanced by London for years. Most on the left of Labour have drifted (or even sprinted) away over a long period of time as the party has become more right wing. TBH I just don't see the impetus for SLab to do the sort of things that are being suggested on here and that they rightly need to do. I often wonder if the best way forward for Labour would be just to copy all the SNP policies except independence Doesn't really help them that random SNP backbenchers such as Derek Mackay and Humza Yousaf would be genuine leadership contenders in Labour Anyone heard who will be DPM now that the coalition is no more? Obviously Mundell gets the Scotland gig by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 One question that has to be asked is whether there is any desire by existing grassroots members in Scotland to move to the left. Haven't seen much to suggest so; they've all seemed quite happy to go with the Tory Lite agenda that has been advanced by London for years. Most on the left of Labour have drifted (or even sprinted) away over a long period of time as the party has become more right wing. TBH I just don't see the impetus for SLab to do the sort of things that are being suggested on here and that they rightly need to do. The problem is the electorates in Scotland and England are very divergent. Labour would have to move to the left to become electable in Scotland again, whereas they have to move to the right to do the same in England. Stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place, they're basically fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 The problem is the electorates in Scotland and England are very divergent. Labour would have to move to the left to become electable in Scotland again, whereas they have to move to the right to do the same in England. Stuck between the proverbial rock and hard place, they're basically fucked. Which is exactly why the only hope for SLab is to completely dissociate from the UK party, have their own Scottish whip, move to the left, and in any future hung parliament demand concessions from the UK party to support a Labour government Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 There is no such thing as Scottish Labour though which is a slight problem there. It doesn't exist, they are the same party. Scottish Labour is an accounting unit of the Labour party, and takes its orders from them on everything including policy. They can't 'break away' from anything, its not up to them. A real, proper, splinter group looking to actually properly separate Labour in Scotland and England would work, but it would be carnage and civil war and very damaging to both parties. They're fucked, they might as well disband. But they won't. All this stuff saying the Scottish branch should separate etc is missing the fact they've already done that, that's how we have 'Scottish' Labour in the first place. It was a charade to pretend to people they are separate parties. They're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkoRaj Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Just putting these out there again Labour are finished imo. There is nothing they could do to win the snp support without supporting independence and even if they did that, they have absolutely no credibility to challenge as an alternative. I wouldn't be surprised to see the tories take over as Scotland's 2nd biggest party in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strapo Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Murphy says he won't step down that's great news Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 One question that has to be asked is whether there is any desire by existing grassroots members in Scotland to move to the left. Haven't seen much to suggest so; they've all seemed quite happy to go with the Tory Lite agenda that has been advanced by London for years. Most on the left of Labour have drifted (or even sprinted) away over a long period of time as the party has become more right wing. TBH I just don't see the impetus for SLab to do the sort of things that are being suggested on here and that they rightly need to do. A lot of those grassroots supporters are sheep who will blindly follow anyone. Many support Labour like the support their football team. If Labour is going to recover they need to eat back into the SNP's share. It's not just a case of shoring up the increasingly shrinking base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marching in Flipflops Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Press conference arranged tomorrow at 11am. Looks like Jim will be gone. Looking at the list of MSP and that 1 MP, I can't see anyone who would give me confidence to take over, the fact they all seem to rate Dugdale speaks volumes about how much of a shambles that branch office is That was the press conference today when he pretty much said he was continuing. The original tweet about the press conference "tomorrow" was in the early hours not long after Jum got his electoral jotters. Tweeter later confirmed he meant Friday. Fear not, Jum is clinging on to deliver more hilarity while on a Labour salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 A lot of those grassroots supporters are sheep who will blindly follow anyone. Many support Labour like the support their football team. If Labour is going to recover they need to eat back into the SNP's share. It's not just a case of shoring up the increasingly shrinking base. How many sheep blindly follow the snp and kiss sturgeons arse at every chance they get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 How many sheep blindly follow the snp and kiss sturgeons arse at every chance they get. kev you should stand for leader of SLab. You're a moronic halfwit that doesn't have the brains he was born with and a fucking zoomer to boot - but your predecessor waould be Jim Murphy so you can only be an improvement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Change the record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akredz Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Dearie me, put on a lavender oil diffuser to calm yourself. Someone was saying that Labour lost because of a lack of loyalty from the voters. People shouldn't be blindly loyal to a poltical party, they should be loyal to their own beliefs and principles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMMjag Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Previous leaders simply wouldn't have stood for such devastating ground lost to the SNP. They should return to someone who knew how to lead them in more halcyon times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Scottish Labour are dead. What's really needed is a genuine Scottish democratic socialist party - I don't genuinely believe we have any party that fills that role at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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