ebbes20silkcut Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Ffa is the carrot that the Tories will use, they know that had that been on the ballot last September the chances are it would have been voted for, So they give us that, they can then say we gave you near federalism we a accepted that more power had to go north, they then throw the gauntlet down the pressure is then on the snp to use it without screwing up, if it goes pear shaped then independence is dead for good, I think they are going to gamble on us fucking it up, you can be sure though they will make it as difficult as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 No voters are either raving weirdo Britnats (not the full 55%) or people who shit themselves. We could aim to get independence without a referendum - sneakily devolve absolutely everything bit by bit, wind up the Tories to chuck Scottish MPs out of WM, and finish up with a referendum on the Monarchy in Scotland. Would be great, and avoid all the shit-themselvers ruining it Your the raving weirdo,wont happen like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete's Frontier Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So Nippy wants an end to austerity, demands more money from Dave to shower cash on her core feckless voters, but FFA is years away she declares. Does this muppet want her independence or not? Is this maybe because she knows FFA means massive cuts and taxation rises that will sink her and her unwashed party overnight? Maybe she is bi polar and needs some medication? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevthedee Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So Nippy wants an end to austerity, demands more money from Dave to shower cash on her core feckless voters, but FFA is years away she declares. Does this muppet want her independence or not? Is this maybe because she knows FFA means massive cuts and taxation rises that will sink her and her unwashed party overnight? Maybe she is bi polar and needs some medication? Over the years the snp have used the blame westmister card,if they get ffa/tax control/power over benefits etc they will have to accept responsability for their actions,no more psssing the buck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAFC. Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The EU referendum is going to be a major factor in this. If we can govern ourselves well under FFA (if it happens) coupled with being dragged out the EU because England voted against it, indyref2 is happening. Imagine we did a Quebec though, that'd be very embarrassing and would kill the independence matter, you'd think. That's what the SNP shouldn't risk, they aren't daft. People saying that a referendum will be in next year's manifesto because of what happened in the Westminster elections aren't thinking straight. Polling probably would show people still don't want independence and if we go in fighting up against it like in 2014 we will fail again. Sturgeon was right in saying a major change has to occur before a referendum is put in a manifesto, which would be the EU ref I was alluding to. Let's just see what happens in the next 5 years before it's put in a manifesto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Ffa should mean all companies doing business in Scotland should pay there taxes in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete's Frontier Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Over the years the snp have used the blame westmister card,if they get ffa/tax control/power over benefits etc they will have to accept responsability for their actions,no more psssing the buck. Which will be their undoing. FFA for the SNP would be a great deal for England, save them billions in subsidy, and we all know there is only one 100% guarantee with socialists like the SNP - they run out of money. So for Cameron wishing to preserve the union, put the ball in the SNP court I say, give them immediate FFA and watch the idiots collapse. SNP know they need full independence before FFA because the proletariat will return to Labour and drop them quickly when FFA hardship comes, just now they are fooling a lot of people, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time as we know. FFA is hardship without independence, a very bad half way house for SNP and other extreme nats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Which will be their undoing. FFA for the SNP would be a great deal for England, save them billions in subsidy, and we all know there is only one 100% guarantee with socialists like the SNP - they run out of money. So for Cameron wishing to preserve the union, put the ball in the SNP court I say, give them immediate FFA and watch the idiots collapse. SNP know they need full independence before FFA because the proletariat will return to Labour and drop them quickly when FFA hardship comes, just now they are fooling a lot of people, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time as we know. FFA is hardship without independence, a very bad half way house for SNP and other extreme nats. ^^^^ Still not enjoying the journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Which will be their undoing. FFA for the SNP would be a great deal for England, save them billions in subsidy, and we all know there is only one 100% guarantee with socialists like the SNP - they run out of money. So for Cameron wishing to preserve the union, put the ball in the SNP court I say, give them immediate FFA and watch the idiots collapse. SNP know they need full independence before FFA because the proletariat will return to Labour and drop them quickly when FFA hardship comes, just now they are fooling a lot of people, but you can never fool all of the people all of the time as we know. FFA is hardship without independence, a very bad half way house for SNP and other extreme nats. Last I checked, the UK was over 1.5 trillion in debt. Every time you post something, it's all about what you want to happen. i.e. the failure of Scotland. Thankfully the reality is very different, and that's why Scotland rejected your party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete's Frontier Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Last I checked, the UK was over 1.5 trillion in debt. Every time you post something, it's all about what you want to happen. i.e. the failure of Scotland. Thankfully the reality is very different, and that's why Scotland rejected your party. Yes, and you'll get 10% of that debt, debt you'll have to pay interest and capital on every year, and add £10bn borrowing from somewhere to cover the current Barnett expenditure, an expenditure your party calls unacceptable austerity. I want the failure of the SNP, not Scotland. Scotland's interests are best preserved within the union. The SNP are a charlatan party who were against the Holyrood parliament, played no part in its foundation or its remit, and are refusing to accept the will of the people in 2014. Who is against Scotland? Who wants Scotland to fail? Not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 So Nippy wants an end to austerity, demands more money from Dave to shower cash on her core feckless voters, but FFA is years away she declares. Does this muppet want her independence or not? Is this maybe because she knows FFA means massive cuts and taxation rises that will sink her and her unwashed party overnight? Maybe she is bi polar and needs some medication? You talk about an end to austerity as if it's a bad thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete's Frontier Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 You talk about an end to austerity as if it's a bad thing Borrowing billions you can't pay back, yes that's a good thing And what is she going to spend these borrowed billions on? Infrastructure? Wealth creation? No, upping benefits. Progressive socialism = a progression to bankruptcy. What happens then? Vast reductions across all areas, public sector pensions, health and benefits being the first to be slashed if the Greek model is anything to go by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky88 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The SNP aren't socialists.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUFC90 Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 They are Social Democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The SNP aren't socialists....Indepence is not all about the snp. They are just the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 The too wee, too poor branch are certainly out in force here today. Do you not mind living in a country that is the equivalent of a benefit scrounger (if your numbers and economics are to be believed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockyDale Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 If Scotland gets FFA, will the SNP increase benefits payments? I'm particularly interested in State Pension and Housing Benefit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topcat(The most tip top) Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 Borrowing billions you can't pay back, yes that's a good thing And what is she going to spend these borrowed billions on? Infrastructure? Wealth creation? No, upping benefits. Progressive socialism = a progression to bankruptcy. What happens then? Vast reductions across all areas, public sector pensions, health and benefits being the first to be slashed if the Greek model is anything to go by.Go and get a fucking education.Even if you believe in Austerian economics Austerity is like Chemotherapy Not wanting it to end is lunacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TapothehullDee Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 What part of NO don't people understand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 10, 2015 Share Posted May 10, 2015 What part of NO don't people understand ? Look at that word in a mirror. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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