MarkoRaj Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 People will call me racist, but I do think it should have been a vote purely for Scottish born residents of Scotland. That wasn't like a normal election, that was deciding the future of Scotland possibly for the next thousand years. Only Scottish people should have been allowed to vote, its frankly outrageous that we were forced to stay in the UK by people from elsewhere in the UK. I even thought of a points system; Scottish born residents of Scotland two votes, non-Scottish residents of Scotland one vote, Scottish born non-residents of Scotland one vote. Every other country on the planet was able to determine their own destiny, in Scotland we had our self-determination thwarted by people who might only be here for university or staying for a few months. It's outrageous. People can call me racist all they want, I am right, and they are being hysterical. I'm not proposing non-Scots should have been kicked out of the country or shouldn't be allowed to vote in all other elections, but the referendum was different and it should have been only Scottish born residents of Scotland that were allowed to vote. If it was we would be preparing for independence right now. Nonsense. I wasn't born in Scotland but I'm every bit as Scottish as you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Of course it wasn't just the RUK vote that made up the 383,937 no. I believe it was about 75% no and 25% yes amongst the English population here that voted, but I don't know what the exact total number of votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 That depends. I don't want to get into a big debate about this, but I'm completely right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roversforlife Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 People will call me racist, but I do think it should have been a vote purely for Scottish born residents of Scotland. That wasn't like a normal election, that was deciding the future of Scotland possibly for the next thousand years. Only Scottish people should have been allowed to vote, its frankly outrageous that we were forced to stay in the UK by people from elsewhere in the UK. I even thought of a points system; Scottish born residents of Scotland two votes, non-Scottish residents of Scotland one vote, Scottish born non-residents of Scotland one vote. Every other country on the planet was able to determine their own destiny, in Scotland we had our self-determination thwarted by people who might only be here for university or staying for a few months. It's outrageous. People can call me racist all they want, I am right, and they are being hysterical. I'm not proposing non-Scots should have been kicked out of the country or shouldn't be allowed to vote in all other elections, but the referendum was different and it should have been only Scottish born residents of Scotland that were allowed to vote. If it was we would be preparing for independence right now. Hiya Fraser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 People will call me racist, but I do think it should have been a vote purely for Scottish born residents of Scotland. That wasn't like a normal election, that was deciding the future of Scotland possibly for the next thousand years. Only Scottish people should have been allowed to vote, its frankly outrageous that we were forced to stay in the UK by people from elsewhere in the UK. I even thought of a points system; Scottish born residents of Scotland two votes, non-Scottish residents of Scotland one vote, Scottish born non-residents of Scotland one vote. Every other country on the planet was able to determine their own destiny, in Scotland we had our self-determination thwarted by people who might only be here for university or staying for a few months. It's outrageous. People can call me racist all they want, I am right, and they are being hysterical. I'm not proposing non-Scots should have been kicked out of the country or shouldn't be allowed to vote in all other elections, but the referendum was different and it should have been only Scottish born residents of Scotland that were allowed to vote. If it was we would be preparing for independence right now. Wow. You would seriously prevent people who weren't born in Scotland, but live in Scotland from having a say on the future of their country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 See its started already. I don't know who Fraser is, but what I'm saying is 100% correct and completely reasonable. We should not have allowed people who are not Scottish to determine the destiny of Scotland for the next thousand years. Letting any resident vote on the government for the next five years is fine, the future of the country possibly forever should have been decided solely by Scottish people, its their country. I wouldn't expect to be allowed to help decide the future of Austria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 An independent country born out of a nationality-restricted vote, wouldn't be a country worth having. The overwhelming majority of people taking part were Scottish born and it didn't happen. Nobody's fault but our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Wow. You would seriously prevent people who weren't born in Scotland, but live in Scotland from having a say on the future of their country? Its not their country if they're not Scottish, that's the point. Its just the country they live in. Call me ethno-nat, racist, whatever you want, I'm right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roversforlife Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 See its started already. I don't know who Fraser is, but what I'm saying is 100% correct and completely reasonable. We should not have allowed people who are not Scottish to determine the destiny of Scotland for the next thousand years. Letting any resident vote on the government for the next five years is fine, the future of the country possibly forever should have been decided solely by Scottish people, its their country. I wouldn't expect to be allowed to help decide the future of Austria. Fraser Aird http://www.scotzine.com/2014/09/rangers-youngster-fraser-aird-posts-anti-immigrant-indyref-comment/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 An independent country born out of a nationality-restricted vote, wouldn't be a country worth having. The overwhelming majority of people taking part were Scottish born and it didn't happen. Nobody's fault but our own. Tbf, we don't know for sure but it seems actual Scottish people voted yes. But were thwarted by everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Fraser Aird http://www.scotzine.com/2014/09/rangers-youngster-fraser-aird-posts-anti-immigrant-indyref-comment/ He's from Canada, and I am actually distantly related to him since you mention it. Seems a bit of an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Its not their country if they're not Scottish, that's the point. Its just the country they live in. Call me ethno-nat, racist, whatever you want, I'm right. I was born in Scotland, and lived in Scotland at the time of the vote, but left two months later and may never live there again, yet you are saying that is fine, but my sister, who was born in London but has lived in Scotland her whole life and still lives in Scotland, shouldn't vote simply because of where she was born? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 7, 2015 Author Share Posted April 7, 2015 Nonsense. I wasn't born in Scotland but I'm every bit as Scottish as you. ^^^^^ Dyes his hair ginger. An independent country born out of a nationality-restricted vote, wouldn't be a country worth having. The overwhelming majority of people taking part were Scottish born and it didn't happen. Nobody's fault but our own. Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 I was born in Scotland, and lived in Scotland at the time of the vote, but left two months later and may never live there again, yet you are saying that is fine, but my sister, who was born in London but has lived in Scotland her whole life and still lives in Scotland, shouldn't vote simply because of where she was born? That's slightly different. Doesn't have to be Scots born as a lot of Scots aren't born in Scotland. If your sister is eligible to play for Scotland I would be fine with that. If she wasn't and moved here for uni or a job I wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmothecat Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 That's slightly different. Doesn't have to be Scots born as a lot of Scots aren't born in Scotland. If your sister is eligible to play for Scotland I would be fine with that. If she wasn't and moved here for uni or a job I wouldn't. I'm imagining a lot of students frantically looking up their family history to see if they have a Scottish Grannie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Tbf, we don't know for sure but it seems actual Scottish people voted yes. But were thwarted by everyone else. Even using one study, it's touch and go. What would have happened if the Scots only population had voted No (would've been much tighter but still a possibility) - next time second generation foreigns can't vote? Only white Scots can vote? Democratic votes in civilised countries are conducted based on residency and citizenship, not birthplace. Say what you want about it but I'm absolutely right about this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roversforlife Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Say what you want about it but I'm absolutely right about this. *popcorn gif* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 Even using one study, it's touch and go. What would have happened if the Scots only population had voted No (would've been much tighter but still a possibility) - next time second generation foreigns can't vote? Only white Scots can vote? Democratic votes in civilised countries are conducted based on residency and citizenship, not birthplace. Say what you want about it but I'm absolutely right about this. No, I would have no problem with it as Scots would have determined the future of Scotland. The fact that Scots had their democratic decision thwarted by people who are not Scottish is a problem, when you are talking about the future of Scotland. You are right that is how they're done, but not all votes are the same, the referendum was very different, unlike any election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 This is the link posted by vikingTON on another thread: http://centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Scottish%20Referendum%20Study%2027%20March%202015.pdf The top heading Birth Place: Outside UK...57.1% no; 42.9% yes RUK..............72.1% no 27.9% yes Scotland.......47.3% no 52.7% yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted April 7, 2015 Share Posted April 7, 2015 This is the link posted by vikingTON on another thread: http://centreonconstitutionalchange.ac.uk/sites/default/files/Scottish%20Referendum%20Study%2027%20March%202015.pdf The top heading Birth Place: Outside UK...57.1% no; 42.9% yes RUK..............72.1% no 27.9% yes Scotland.......47.3% no 52.7% yes See look at rUK figures. Those people were not voting according to what's best for Scotland, clearly. I think Scotland deserves, and further has a right, to have its future determined by people whose sole motivation in their decision is what's best for Scotland. Its not that unusual a phenomenon anyway. In Alaska natives have certain rights that residents do not have, such as fishing etc. You can move there and live there for fifty years and be American, but not have the same rights as native Alaskans. In my hometown we have one of the best golf courses in the world. If you are from this town you can jump the waiting list as a kid, if you move here you can't. Its very common to differentiate between natives and residents, and that should have been done in the referendum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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