Moomintroll Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I have just improved my Forum experience. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 35 minutes ago, Clown Job said: Kilmarnock FC player receives a 10 game ban for using bigoted language Posters on here: Celtic Celtic Celtic Celtic Celtic You should be banned Celtic Celtic Celtic Precedent set by other Scottish clubs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 47 minutes ago, Paxo said: 10 game ban for these little scamps in my opinion. @Clown Job must have been beeling seeing this when he was at the game... Were you at this game, Clown? This has f**k all relevance here - first of all supporters are not under the SFA's jurisdiction, but more specifically this is an entirely valid example of a group reclaiming a perjorative term. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilMARKnock Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 37 minutes ago, craigkillie said: This has f**k all relevance here - first of all supporters are not under the SFA's jurisdiction, but more specifically this is an entirely valid example of a group reclaiming a perjorative term. Mmmmmm, I'm really caught in two minds in this whole debacle. Lafferty has been an undoubted fuckwit, has been caught out by some glory seeking camera happy c***s and deserves some sort of punishment. Not sure when representing your country and away from your club results in 10 games harm to said club is right but hey ho. If UEFA sanction/fine the bigot brothers for their choice of songs/banners in their competition then it's about time the SFA carry this forward, hope that starts now and all other supporters (except that Hearts minority the other week) can enjoy a football match at home without sectarian bile from the opposition stand. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 The SFA don't have the authority to do that, because the clubs, including our own, voted against it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kilMARKnock Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 That obviously should have been SPFL or whatever they are calling it this week, however, as the pedant you are and completely correct something has to change and I only hope that starts now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 I wasn't being pedantic, you were right in the original use of the SFA given that they are responsible for disciplinary issues, but they don't have the authority to act on supporter incidents, and neither do the SPFL. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torfason Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) Sadly, a 10 game ban won’t change his upbringing or his views however a Celtic fan taking the moral high ground…………OH Edited October 21, 2022 by Torfason 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 10 hours ago, craigkillie said: This has f**k all relevance here - first of all supporters are not under the SFA's jurisdiction, but more specifically this is an entirely valid example of a group reclaiming a perjorative term. It's absolutely relevant. The clubs are under the SFA's jurisdiction and they're responsible for the behaviour of their support. Just look at how UEFA deals with badly behaved fans - it fines the club. Just because the SFA are too much of a bunch of shitebags to do that doesn't somehow absolve them of their responsibility. I'm simply trying to establish whether Clown was so offended when he saw this, as the Lafferty debacle clearly has him rattled. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Paxo said: I'm simply trying to establish whether Clown was so offended when he saw this, as the Lafferty debacle clearly has him rattled. This you trying to catch me out in some sort of gotcha moment? You don’t have to be offended or rattled to believe a guy being caught using a slur should be getting binned by the club 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C4mmy31 Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Paxo said: It's absolutely relevant. The clubs are under the SFA's jurisdiction and they're responsible for the behaviour of their support. Just look at how UEFA deals with badly behaved fans - it fines the club. Just because the SFA are too much of a bunch of shitebags to do that doesn't somehow absolve them of their responsibility. I'm simply trying to establish whether Clown was so offended when he saw this, as the Lafferty debacle clearly has him rattled. Our clubs voted against it so the SFA don't have the mandate to issue fines or bans like UEFA does for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Paxo said: It's absolutely relevant. The clubs are under the SFA's jurisdiction and they're responsible for the behaviour of their support. Just look at how UEFA deals with badly behaved fans - it fines the club. Just because the SFA are too much of a bunch of shitebags to do that doesn't somehow absolve them of their responsibility. As mentioned above, Killie alongside nearly every other member of the SFA voted against a proposal which would have held clubs responsible for the actions of their supporters. The SFA's rules are proposed by and voted on by the clubs, and the clubs are the ones who did not want this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 I personally agree with Lafferty getting a ban as that’s the rules and I’ve had a couple of arguments and discussions with both Kilmarnock and non-Kilmarnock fans about this over the last few days. However I see Ewan Murray tweeting today about Calum Slattery getting done for homophobic abuse so where is his 10 game ban? Or was his offence before these new rules were brought in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewh Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 11 minutes ago, Sortmeout said: I personally agree with Lafferty getting a ban as that’s the rules and I’ve had a couple of arguments and discussions with both Kilmarnock and non-Kilmarnock fans about this over the last few days. However I see Ewan Murray tweeting today about Calum Slattery getting done for homophobic abuse so where is his 10 game ban? Or was his offence before these new rules were brought in? So the sectarian behaviour is being discriminated against relative to the homophobic behaviour. Why can’t people behave with decency towards each other? Looks like we aren’t making much progress as a species. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sortmeout Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, andrewh said: So the sectarian behaviour is being discriminated against relative to the homophobic behaviour. Why can’t people behave with decency towards each other? Looks like we aren’t making much progress as a species. When I was looking at the disciplinary rules that were used against Lafferty things like homophobia etc were mentioned so I would expect the same punishment. ETA - Sorry homophobia not mentioned specifically but here is the outline of the rules. Edited October 21, 2022 by Sortmeout 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 Discrimination by reason of sexual orientation is mentioned, which is what Slattery (and many others before him) would have been guilty of. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 6 hours ago, Clown Job said: This you trying to catch me out in some sort of gotcha moment? You don’t have to be offended or rattled to believe a guy being caught using a slur should be getting binned by the club No gotcha, I'm just trying to establish whether you genuinely think the 'f' word is unacceptable or whether this is faux outrage based on who said it. If you're willing to condemn your own fans then that's fine, but you can't have it both ways. For what it's worth, I'm of the opinion that Lafferty should be severely punished because I rightly or wrongly believe in a no tolerance approach to this type of language. By that token, I think the Celtic banner group should have been dealt with in the same way. Do you agree with that? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 For what offence would you be punishing the Celtic fans? It is not the word that is offensive, it is the context in which it is used. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 17 minutes ago, Paxo said: No gotcha, I'm just trying to establish whether you genuinely think the 'f' word is unacceptable Yes and it’s kinda embarrassing you’d be asking me that Just accept what he did was wrong without trying to twist it 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paxo Posted October 21, 2022 Share Posted October 21, 2022 2 hours ago, craigkillie said: As mentioned above, Killie alongside nearly every other member of the SFA voted against a proposal which would have held clubs responsible for the actions of their supporters. The SFA's rules are proposed by and voted on by the clubs, and the clubs are the ones who did not want this. No I get that, but it doesn't change the fact that the SFA (read: member organisations which prop up the SFA) should and could be doing something about it. I completely understand why clubs would vote against strict liability as it absolves them from retribution for events that aren't always within their control, but it's still utter shitebaggery. The Rangers away support should be getting hammered with bans for their sectarian singing, the Motherwell away support should be getting hammered for their little ned posse that go round smashing up the towns they visit, etc etc. Bad behaviour like this will never stop until there are consequences applied, which is presumably exactly the motivation for the SFA dishing out punishment to players for their own indiscretions - they want it to stop. It's not an unreasonable stretch to suggest that logic should be applied to supporters as well. As such, the behaviour of the Celtic fans in the picture I posted is relevant to the wider debate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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