craigkillie Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 I still feel Strachan is very reluctant to blood new players, only vogts was ever brave enough to do this. What we have is squad packed with players who have many failed campaigns under their belts and a pretty goals light squad. Those who are two old for u21s armstrong, gms, griffiths etc progress is usually stalled as there is no progression into the full side. This is usually hampered by the Englishman of the month squad policy that levein introduced and strachan carried on Griffiths, Mackay-Steven and Armstrong have all been included in squads. Griffiths started at least 2 qualifiers under Strachan, possibly more. At the moment all of these guys have better players ahead of them in the pecking order, although I think Armstrong in particular will eventually go on to be a regular. Off the top of my head, Strachan has given debuts to May, Russell, Mackay-Steven, Forsyth and Robertson who all fall under the description you gave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quentin Taranbino Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Vogts didn't have alot of options but to introduce new players. The bulk of Craig Brown's squad were on their way out or at end of their careers. Most of the guys Vogts introduced that went on to become long serving players would likely have been capped by whoever was in charge. It's not like they were hidden gems. There were also some horrendous caps during his reign as manager. Strachans selection policy by in large has been absolutely spot on for all his squads so far (barring the curious case of James Forrest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Just for a laugh, here is Berti 1st and final Scotland squads France 5-0 Scotland 1 Neil Sullivan 2 David Weir 3 Stephen Crainey 4 Paul Lambert 5 Christian Dailly 6 Gary Caldwell 7 Douglas Freedman (Gemmill, '46) 8 Dominic Matteo 9 Stephen Crawford (Thompson, '63) 10 Colin Cameron (Holt, '46) 11 Neil McCannMoldova 1-1 Scotland 1 Craig Gordon 2 Gary Caldwell 3 Gary Naysmith (Murray, '46) 4 Steven Caldwell 5 Andy Webster 6 Barry Ferguson 7 Darren Fletcher (Miller, '65) 8 Gary Holt 9 Steven Thompson (McCulloch, '85) '32 10 Stephen Crawford 11 Colin Cameron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Vogts didn't have alot of options but to introduce new players. The bulk of Craig Brown's squad were on their way out or at end of their careers. Most of the guys Vogts introduced that went on to become long serving players would likely have been capped by whoever was in charge. It's not like they were hidden gems. There were also some horrendous caps during his reign as manager. Strachans selection policy by in large has been absolutely spot on for all his squads so far (barring the curious case of James Forrest) Forrest is hardly a left field choice.He has been really highly rated by just about every coach at every level. He's got blistering pace and we've all seen in Anya what benefit this brings to the squad. Arguably he's a better all-round player than anya too. Okay, he's been stop-start with injuries for 2 years or so and before that wasn't quite hitting the heights, but I totally get why Strachan wants him along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Anya works hard and get involved in games. Forrest hides out on the touchline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 It's not hiding he's that type of player. If you want to make the pitch big and stretch the oppositon a player like that is good. Though I'm not a huge fan of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenny131 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Matt Ritchie at bournemouth is a class act. Seen his play a fews times this season, and I, m predicting he will have a great season in the premier ship next year. A great addition to the squad and will have the fans on the edge of there seats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Vogts didn't have alot of options but to introduce new players. The bulk of Craig Brown's squad were on their way out or at end of their careers. Most of the guys Vogts introduced that went on to become long serving players would likely have been capped by whoever was in charge. It's not like they were hidden gems. There were also some horrendous caps during his reign as manager. Strachans selection policy by in large has been absolutely spot on for all his squads so far (barring the curious case of James Forrest) Yeah, not sure that Vogts can really take credit for James McFadden and Darren Fletcher. Cause that's essentially what we're taking about here. He also capped Kevin Kyle 9 times and tried out all sorts of young players who have hardly been successful since. And we shouldn't be revisionists here. There was an awful lot of frustration with Vogts that he didn't give McFadden a proper change earlier, and his tendency to play Fletcher wide right was also frustrating. All in all his policy of trying all sorts of players in friendly matches did us no good at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afca32 Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Hutchison has stated he was brought up by his scottish dad to feel scottish and even loved it when he scored against england. He was born and brought up in england so will always have that english connection but he has already made it crystal clear he feels scottish and was completely committed to playing for scotland. That's enough of an attitude to prove to me that he should play for scotland. I don't get that with ritchie. Judging every player individually I came to the conclusion that Hutchison offered enough evidence that he was passionate enough and had a big enough connection to play for the country. How the f**k can anyone not understand this? Hutchison was English but also felt Scottish. Ritchie is English but also feels Scottish. If Ritchie gives everything for Scotland then he will match exactly the same criteria as Hutchison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoBNob Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Not been overly impressed with Ritchie so far tbh in this game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Anya works hard and get involved in games. Forrest hides out on the touchline. Think there was an element of that early on in his career, but IMO it's an outdated view. Take the League Cup Final, for example, where he was hardly 'hiding on the wing' when he took up position on the edge of the box to nail home the second goal. Equally, his insistence on taking the penalty (despite the outcome) suggests he is far from a timid player or one lacking confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 I'm boycotting this game. Attending this "International" match would in essence be legitimising Northern Ireland as a nation when in fact it is simply an occupied territory of Ireland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Tbf they're no less of a real country than Scotland, Wales or England. Though its not really a nation and is just an occupied territory that's correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Gordopolis, on 21 Mar 2015 - 14:51, said:Think there was an element of that early on in his career, but IMO it's an outdated view. Take the League Cup Final, for example, where he was hardly 'hiding on the wing' when he took up position on the edge of the box to nail home the second goal. Equally, his insistence on taking the penalty (despite the outcome) suggests he is far from a timid player or one lacking confidence. Aye, I guess the main problem now with him is that he's utterly pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Aye, I guess the main problem now with him is that he's utterly pish. Is he really 'pish' though or has he just had a horrendously stop-start few years? Fast, technically good and still young. If he was some lost cause he wouldn't be in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 He's okay not fantastic. I don't think he's any better than many of the options we have for that position. Being quick is a good asset we haven't had much of for a while though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 Gordopolis, on 21 Mar 2015 - 17:57, said:Is he really 'pish' though or has he just had a horrendously stop-start few years? He's really pish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof! Posted March 22, 2015 Share Posted March 22, 2015 He's really pish. He almost single handedly demolished the Dutch u21 side in Amsterdam and knocked Spartac Moscow out of the Champions League. Pish is a bit strong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Was it this thread someone was asking about future prospects for RB? Think it was, forgot two. Jack Grimmer doing well at Fulham now, and Paterson at Hearts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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