YassinMoutaouakil Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Ted Cruz is apparently being tipped for the Republicans, but being a Latino born in Canada could prove a hindrance with the diehard patriot vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todders Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Another Bush in charge?! Fs, will the Americans ever learn? I hear Hilary is quite well trimmed actua.....oh I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Ted Cruz is apparently being tipped for the Republicans, but being a Latino born in Canada could prove a hindrance with the diehard patriot vote. He's a Teabagger. Although I'm not sure if he's still flavour of the month with the Tea Party grassroots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 You can't be president if you're not born in the USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 You can't be president if you're not born in the USA. That's not strictly true, Bruce. http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2013/05/yes-ted-cruz-can-be-born-in-canada-and-still-become-president-of-the-us/275469/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Oh well I stand corrected. Every day's a school day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Ted Cruz is apparently being tipped for the Republicans, but being a Latino born in Canada could prove a hindrance with the diehard patriot vote. Ted Cruz is also on the wrong side of history. He's not going to win a national vote in 2016 when his policies consist solely of a minefield at the Mexican border and whatever the opposite of the Democrats is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cairn Terrier Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Actually thought Arnie was quite a popular republican politician, however he is the only one I can think of. Americans are possibly the most unpredictable electorate in the world, they are absolutely mental, dirt poor people with republican stickers (yeh really vote for the party who wanna make you skint), it's like Scottish people who vote Tory. Except it's not. Scottish people who vote Tory are generally better off, home owners and in employment or retired. They are probably looking for someone to protect their interests and keep the nasty socialists from taking their cash. Why poor white trailer trash vote Republican is more of a mystery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted March 10, 2015 Author Share Posted March 10, 2015 Americans are possibly the most unpredictable electorate in the world, they are absolutely mental, dirt poor people with republican stickers (yeh really vote for the party who wanna make you skint), it's like Scottish people who vote Tory. Except it's not. Scottish people who vote Tory are generally better off, home owners and in employment or retired. They are probably looking for someone to protect their interests and keep the nasty socialists from taking their cash. Why poor white trailer trash vote Republican is more of a mystery. This article explores things in some depth: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/oct/29/working-class-voters-america-republican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Are there any non-weirdo Republicans? Not just Republicans. I think it was In Dawkins' The God Delusion that he referred to a poll of US voters, it was a bit out of date when the book was published but it wouldn't surpise me if the satistics were still similar. It examined how various things about a candidate would impact upon how likely people would vote for them. I can't recall the exact figures but it went something along the line of: 2% of voters would never vote for a woman 6% would never vote for a Jew 8% would never vote for a black person (these could all be out but they give you a flavour) However the real indication of US voter stupidity was that more than 50% of them would never vote for an atheist. Republicans and Democrats alike they are fucking nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyAffro Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 In Texas it is illegal to hold any public office if you don't believe in God. As for Republicans I have met many, including some politicians. They are often the nicest people you will ever meet in your life, just batshit crazy when it comes to politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 However the real indication of US voter stupidity was that more than 50% of them would never vote for an atheist. In fairness, Dawkins hasn't exactly helped here in the last ten years or so. The professional sceptic movement in the US is full of dangerous nutters, and at present it's vastly more interested in convincing its clergy to go around shooting Arabs indiscriminately than it is in restoring secularity to the federal state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted March 11, 2015 Author Share Posted March 11, 2015 Not just Republicans. I think it was In Dawkins' The God Delusion that he referred to a poll of US voters, it was a bit out of date when the book was published but it wouldn't surpise me if the satistics were still similar. It examined how various things about a candidate would impact upon how likely people would vote for them. I can't recall the exact figures but it went something along the line of: 2% of voters would never vote for a woman 6% would never vote for a Jew 8% would never vote for a black person (these could all be out but they give you a flavour) However the real indication of US voter stupidity was that more than 50% of them would never vote for an atheist. Republicans and Democrats alike they are fucking nuts. It's much the same in this 2012 survey: http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/Atheists-Muslims-Bias-Presidential-Candidates.aspx Substantially more of an electoral handicap than being black, gay, female, muslim, etc. On the back of that I looked up the figures for the UK - surprised to read that 20% of the UK electorate wouldn't vote for an atheist either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 It's much the same in this 2012 survey: http://www.gallup.com/poll/155285/Atheists-Muslims-Bias-Presidential-Candidates.aspx Substantially more of an electoral handicap than being black, gay, female, muslim, etc. On the back of that I looked up the figures for the UK - surprised to read that 20% of the UK electorate wouldn't vote for an atheist either. I find the UK figure absolutely staggering. I always think of the UK as being a very secular society with the religious oddities being an ever declining hangover from the past. Do you have a link to this? Maybe a waste of time asking as for some reasoni can't get the other link to open on my iPad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Joseph Stalin Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Hopefully the GOP candidate wins, don't think the world can handle another term of Underwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 I find the UK figure absolutely staggering. I always think of the UK as being a very secular society with the religious oddities being an ever declining hangover from the past. Do you have a link to this? Maybe a waste of time asking as for some reasoni can't get the other link to open on my iPad! This is it here: http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/1564 and here is the raw data: http://campaigndirector.moodia.com/Client/Theos/Files/TheosUSAOct08.pdf Granted that the work was done back in 2008 and if anything I'd guess that the figure is on its way down, but I was amazed that it was so high. Personally I could think of several areas of policy in which I wouldn't want religious beliefs to be an influence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anonapersona Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 Not just Republicans. I think it was In Dawkins' The God Delusion that he referred to a poll of US voters, it was a bit out of date when the book was published but it wouldn't surpise me if the satistics were still similar. It examined how various things about a candidate would impact upon how likely people would vote for them. I can't recall the exact figures but it went something along the line of: 2% of voters would never vote for a woman 6% would never vote for a Jew 8% would never vote for a black person (these could all be out but they give you a flavour) However the real indication of US voter stupidity was that more than 50% of them would never vote for an atheist. Republicans and Democrats alike they are fucking nuts. I would put that figure way higher than 50%. At least here in the Midwest, where I learned pretty quickly to keep quiet about being an agnostic atheist. People will go cold on you as if it's a personal insult. When I was doing a contract in Dayton a few years ago, I had to endure a bunch of billboards along I-70 with the ten commands and bible quotes. This kind of thing isn't uncommon in the more rural areas. I occasionally come across someone with a mindset similar to my own. My manager is an atheist. He knows I'm an amateur fossil collector and he goes caving and is into geology, so we kind of scoped each other out on the subject. There's probably a whole lot of closet atheists here but they will remain in the closet for the time being. I think the younger generations are more liberal in their views, but there's still plenty of time to brainwash them. Take a look at the 6th picture in this link. It's actually from a children's coloring book. http://www.dailydawdle.com/2011/10/10-epic-portraits-of-jesus-and.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adamski Posted March 12, 2015 Author Share Posted March 12, 2015 Might have to steal that link! The more that I read about this stuff, the more mental it all sounds. Here is what the state legislature for Tennessee about people running for office there... No person who denies the being of God, or a future state of rewards and punishments, shall hold any office in the civil department of this state. Similar wording for at least six other states (Arkansas, Maryland Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Texas, although the others draw the line at belief of a 'supreme being' (as most of them say) without getting into the heaven and hell thing. Apparently as recently as 2009 there was a challenge to a prospective candidate in North Carolina on the basis that he was an atheist, although the candidate was allowed to run (and won). So I'm not sure how valid these rules are any more, but still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P45 Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I would put that figure way higher than 50%. At least here in the Midwest, where I learned pretty quickly to keep quiet about being an agnostic atheist. People will go cold on you as if it's a personal insult. When I was doing a contract in Dayton a few years ago, I had to endure a bunch of billboards along I-70 with the ten commands and bible quotes. This kind of thing isn't uncommon in the more rural areas. I occasionally come across someone with a mindset similar to my own. My manager is an atheist. He knows I'm an amateur fossil collector and he goes caving and is into geology, so we kind of scoped each other out on the subject. There's probably a whole lot of closet atheists here but they will remain in the closet for the time being. I think the younger generations are more liberal in their views, but there's still plenty of time to brainwash them. Take a look at the 6th picture in this link. It's actually from a children's coloring book. http://www.dailydawdle.com/2011/10/10-epic-portraits-of-jesus-and.html I'm from the Midwest, I am irreligious and I find those stereotypes insulting. Ultimately if you don't want to "endure" it anymore you can always come and live in the UK. There are no billboards with bible verses and we have a largely atheist society, so you'll think it's fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted March 12, 2015 Share Posted March 12, 2015 I'm from the Midwest, I am irreligious and I find those stereotypes insulting. Ultimately if you don't want to "endure" it anymore you can always come and live in the UK. There are no billboards with bible verses and we have a largely atheist society, so you'll think it's fantastic. Stereotypes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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