Sooky Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 This is fair. She isn't an inspiring person and she had no inspiring message. Why she focussed so much on trying to win solid red states like Georgia as opposed to just holding what Obama won is beyond me. Also somewhat interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paco Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 44 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said: The more civilized areas voted for Clinton but the redreck states voted Trump. Completely incorrect. 21 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said: The mental breakdown's on twitter today are insane, people are acting like soon being gay will be illegal, being any colour other than white will be illegal, any other religion etc, Huffington post are posting suicide prevention hotline numbers... Get a fucking grip, even if he actually planned to do anything like that he need's the senate to get anything done The Huffington Post is the Breitbart of the left, I wouldn't pay it much attention. I've seen a lot of people posting about LGBT worries under Trump - has he ever said anything derogatory about them? They're about the only minority group I can't think of him offending throughout this campaign (although of course I may have missed it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 What experience does Michelle Have? Was Nancy Reagan qualified to beppresident? Equally being an ex-First Wife shouldn't disqualify you either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swordfishtrombone Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 That farmer from Aberdeen that refused to sell his land to Trump must be feeling twitchy just now. He'll wake up in Guantanamo Bay tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, McSpreader said: This election was a classic case of one side talking to the electorate and listening to the electorate and the other side existing in a bubble and bypassing and ignoring a crucial constituency of the electorate. A bit like Brexit. Like Brexit, I doubt Trump will find it easy to deliver on his rhetoric. But he may surprise us ( hopefully in a good way !) I wouldnt say Trump talked and listened, more picked up on the anger some people felt against the political establishment and manipulated it. His base to begin with was religious nutters, 2nd amendment nutters, tea party nutters and rich old white guys. Im assuming the people who would never vote for any woman probably fit into one of those groups. He managed to whip up a populist vote by selling some nostalgic version of America (that never really existed) that he was going to restore and, along with the populists, crucially added the mainly white protest vote against the establishment. Whilst the Democrats would never touch his base, they were sloppy and lazy with their choice of candidate. Clinton, whilst deeply unpopular herself, was looking to surf the wave of Obama's relative popularity and she never had a chance of snaring the latter two groups of voters. At least Sanders might have stopped the bleeding of the protest vote to Trump. The whole thing has been exacerbated by mainly middle class commentators loudly shouting down any legitimate criticism of Clinton as misogyny, which just got people's backs up similar to Brexiters being dismissed solely as racists. As for his rhetoric, given that he articulated very few actual policies it will be hard to pin him down on whether he actually delivers on anything bar a wall and banning muslims. I fully expect the buffoon to be impeached within the first 2 years - the concern will be the rabid lunatics that surround him that nobody expected to see anywhere near a government ie Gingrich, Palin, Huckabee et al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 18 minutes ago, McSpreader said: This election was a classic case of one side talking to the electorate and listening to the electorate and the other side existing in a bubble and bypassing and ignoring a crucial constituency of the electorate. A bit like Brexit. Like Brexit, I doubt Trump will find it easy to deliver on his rhetoric. But he may surprise us ( hopefully in a good way !) Most of the electorate voted for Clinton though... Everything about American politics is ludicrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 No longer the most crooked Republican President in history... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 11 minutes ago, Sooky said: This is fair. She isn't an inspiring person and she had no inspiring message. Why she focussed so much on trying to win solid red states like Georgia as opposed to just holding what Obama won is beyond me. I think she was too pragmatic and far too honest (contrary to I think her undeserved reputation based on very little) to promise stuff she thought she couldn't deliver given financial constraints and a Republican House at least, if not the Senate. If she'd lied her head off like Trump with empty grand promises, she might have done better. Her main problem though was facing an experienced TV entertainer with the charisma of an Avon Lady, however well intentioned. I doubt if any tactical change would have made much difference, the swing that cost it wasn't so much the poor and angry lowly educated white man, it was middle class white men and women who turned out in their droves to vote for Trump. I heard Irvine Welsh say today that the poor whites mainly voted Democrat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 42 minutes ago, EdgarusQPFC said: The mental breakdown's on twitter today are insane, people are acting like soon being gay will be illegal, being any colour other than white will be illegal, any other religion etc, Huffington post are posting suicide prevention hotline numbers... Get a fucking grip, even if he actually planned to do anything like that he need's the senate to get anything done Apart from the things he has actually said about minorities, he's enabling and legitimising the views of millions of racists and bigots across America. In the same way the Brexit vote did for some morons here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just now, Carl Cort's Hamstring said: Most of the electorate voted for Clinton though... Everything about American politics is ludicrous. I agree. British politics seems refined by comparison, ha ha . Just like here there is a groundswell of dissatisfaction with the current ruling elite and where that has taken us....constant wars, globalisation over localism , the consolidation of wealth and assets in the hands of a very small clique, the pace of change within society due to mass immigration etc . People were told by the liberal mainstream that this was an inevitable and desirable path to travel and the people are trying to find a way to say they don't want that. Hence Trump and Brexit. How this will pan out is pure guesswork. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McSpreader Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 4 minutes ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said: Apart from the things he has actually said about minorities, he's enabling and legitimising the views of millions of racists and bigots across America. In the same way the Brexit vote did for some morons here. That's the sort of ridiculous stereotyping that loses you elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerberus Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The first 2 results on Google this morning for "how to" fills with "move to Canada" and "impeach a president". For Brexit it was "what is Brexit" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjw Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Trumped: Irish bookmaker forced to pay out $4.5 million after shock .Ooft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 1 minute ago, McSpreader said: That's the sort of ridiculous stereotyping that loses you elections. It's not something I'd say if I was running the Democrat campaign, but it's true. Some of his policy points have been about more extreme torture for terror suspects (and killing their families), banning all Muslims, and building a giant wall to keep out Mexicans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 The Huffington Post is the Breitbart of the left, I wouldn't pay it much attention. I've seen a lot of people posting about LGBT worries under Trump - has he ever said anything derogatory about them? They're about the only minority group I can't think of him offending throughout this campaign (although of course I may have missed it). Mike Pence around a decade or so ago wholeheartedly endorsed gay conversation therapy and, as far as I know, hasn't gone back on this.Trump is a complete enigma though. Ironically, he would probably have formally been regarded as a highly liberal republican on social issues. But he just constantly flip flops. He agreed with same sex marriage, then he opposed it and said he would try and appoint justices to overturn it. He supported trans people using whatever bathroom they wanted, then he opposed it.The scary thing about Trump is that you actually have no idea what he stands for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrewDon Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 I do like Michelle Obama, but I can't help thinking the fact that she is loudly being touted as the best anti-Trump hope for 2020 is a sobering indication of just how terribly thin the Democratic bench currently is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carl Cort's Hamstring Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 Just now, DrewDon said: I do like Michelle Obama, but I can't help thinking the fact that she is loudly being touted as the best anti-Trump hope for 2020 is a sobering indication of just how terribly thin the Democratic bench currently is. Either Elizabeth Warren or Sanders would have done a much better job at tapping into the anti-establishment feeling than either Clinton or Michelle Obama could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 It's a bit too early to speculate. Anyone could emerge in four years. How many of us had heard of Obama in 2004?The one thing which needs to happen is Hillary should retire and not even fucking think about running again in 2020. She's a liability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 6 minutes ago, Carl Cort's Hamstring said: It's not something I'd say if I was running the Democrat campaign, but it's true. Some of his policy points have been about more extreme torture for terror suspects (and killing their families), banning all Muslims, and building a giant wall to keep out Mexicans. He also spent years questioning whether the distinguish President was born in the U.S. Can't see him doing that if Obama was white. His comments on the use of torture where incredulous; I can't think of anyone else who would be elected in a Western democracy making that sort of statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aladdin Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 #Kanye2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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