The 2016 US Presidential Election

[P45]

So you do not actually have a point. The fact that it "happens everywhere" is not a reason why 300+ people (I would think it was vastly more than this as it would not have been only my flight) are delayed for a single person.

Your comparator is meaningless as you don't have to travel on closed roads, or travel at all. This is rather different to being in an aeroplane that has flown over the Atlantic and then cannot land.

 

No, I had to travel to work. There was no prior notification that the roads would be closed, and what must have been hundreds of vehicles were stopped for almost an hour.

I don't believe you that you can't see the similarities.

 

The fact that it "happens everywhere" nullifies your original point that the US is as undemocratic as the USSR because you were delayed 30 minutes to let the VP take off.

[Dunning1874]

Paul Krugman is a liberal and partisan Democrat so he's not impartial. It's a very poor article with nothing of substance to back up its ludicrous claims.

 

The "movement conservatives" have not taken over the Republican Party. Big business, which has funded the Republican Party over those decades, has supported liberal immigration policies as it wants a ready supply of cheap labour.

 

Until Trump came along, the GOP was pro-immigration when under the control of the neoconservatives. Rubio and Jeb Bush were the favoured candidates of the neocons, big business and the GOP establishment. Trump out-campaigned them even in their home states.

 

The neocons are pro-war, pro-immigration and pro-welfare former Democrats. They were leading the opposition to Trump who opposes their policies. Leading neocons are now talking about going back to the Democrats to support Clinton.

 

 

The neocons are pro-war, pro-immigration and pro-welfare former Democrats. They were leading the opposition to Trump who opposes their policies. Leading neocons are now talking about going back to the Democrats to support Clinton.

 

 

 

 

The neocons are pro-war, pro-immigration and pro-welfare former Democrats.

 

 

 

 

The neocons are pro-welfare

 

 

 

neocons pro-welfare

 

 

[Fotbawmad]

Neo-Conservatism is Troskite in it's roots. After all, they call it "liberal intervention" for a reason when they engage in aggressive foreign policy. FTR, Neo-Cons are absolutely pro-welfare. Sure we use different definitions for hand outs. Whether it's welfare, entitlements or subsidies, but a hand out is a hand out. Libertarians and liberals call it "corporate welfare" and "crony capitalism" for a reason. It's a fancy way of saying socialism for the rich or an anti-Robin Hood society. 

[welshbairn]

Irving Kristol was in favour of a limited welfare state for reasons of stability, and as an alternative to massive infrastructure spending purely to create jobs, but I doubt his acolytes like Richard Perle (aka Prince of Darkness) or Paul Wolfowitz would be so keen. Part of what went wrong in Iraq was them wiping out the welfare state to encourage the private sector.

[Yank Mike]

There are no neo-cons in the real world outside of universities, think tanks, government bureaucracy, the media, etc, but of course they hold outsized influence in government and the direction of national discourse because of these positions.

Their interests lined up with the traditional American right because of the Cold War and international communism so it made sense at that point for them to support Republicans. I think the Bush administration failures showed the mass of conservative voters that neo-conservative ideology doesn't have much use to us in the current world, as the Tea Party and Trump movements are a complete rejection of them. They'll eventually find another spot to land outside of the Republican Party.

[Fotbawmad]

Neo-conservatism is dying. It only continues to have influence because it's proponents still operate in these important institutions. Giving it a disproportionate influence on society. Same goes for a for few other things as well, but I don't want to derail the thread too much. However, I will say ideologies that are linked to the religious right and the regressive left are dying, as they are symptoms of baby boomer culture. 

[Ad Lib]

Neo-conservatism is dying. It only continues to have influence because it's proponents still operate in these important institutions. Giving it a disproportionate influence on society. Same goes for a for few other things as well, but I don't want to derail the thread too much. However, I will say ideologies that are linked to the religious right and the regressive left are dying, as they are symptoms of baby boomer culture.

The fall of the seventh civilisation though.

[ScotSquid]

Neo-conservatism is dying. It only continues to have influence because it's proponents still operate in these important institutions. Giving it a disproportionate influence on society. Same goes for a for few other things as well, but I don't want to derail the thread too much. However, I will say ideologies that are linked to the religious right and the regressive left are dying, as they are symptoms of baby boomer culture.

Probably the gays' fault eh?

[NotThePars]

Gay neo-cons is not what I imagined would lead to our extinction.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

The fall of the seventh civilisation though.

Did he actually get round to saying what the 6 civilisations were?

[welshbairn]

There are no neo-cons in the real world outside of universities, think tanks, government bureaucracy, the media, etc, but of course they hold outsized influence in government and the direction of national discourse because of these positions.

Their interests lined up with the traditional American right because of the Cold War and international communism so it made sense at that point for them to support Republicans. I think the Bush administration failures showed the mass of conservative voters that neo-conservative ideology doesn't have much use to us in the current world, as the Tea Party and Trump movements are a complete rejection of them. They'll eventually find another spot to land outside of the Republican Party.

 

Solid American companies like Halliburton did quite well out of the neocon experiment, as did many others like Blackwater. I'm surprised you're so quick to dismiss their contribution to making rich Americans a bit richer. Are you a socialist?

[Yank Mike]

Solid American companies like Halliburton did quite well out of the neocon experiment, as did many others like Blackwater. I'm surprised you're so quick to dismiss their contribution to making rich Americans a bit richer. Are you a socialist?

Not a fan of war profiteering off the blood off US and allied soldiers and the innocent people who died. Especially when they profited off US taxpayers. In my view it was just wealth redistribution from US taxpayers to those companies. I could be wrong on that though. I agree with Trump that we shouldn't have invaded Iraq, but if we did then we should have used their oil to pay for it.

[vikingTON]

It's now clearly a Trump-Clinton fight to November. Given how awful Trump is polling in the rapidly growing minority groups and Clinton's natural loathsome nature among the population as a whole (but whites in particular where Bill makes little difference), it's all set to be a giant Hibs-off.

[Antiochas III]

Did he actually get round to saying what the 6 civilisations were?

No, because people on the forum were being mean to him.

[ScotSquid]

Did he actually get round to saying what the 6 civilisations were?

Is it anything to do with the age of Aquarius?

[Yank Mike]

Neo-conservatism is dying. It only continues to have influence because it's proponents still operate in these important institutions. Giving it a disproportionate influence on society. Same goes for a for few other things as well, but I don't want to derail the thread too much. However, I will say ideologies that are linked to the religious right and the regressive left are dying, as they are symptoms of baby boomer culture. 

I'm not sure what you mean by the regressive left, but I think the US will have the religious right for the extent of my life. The European religions (mainline Protestant and Catholic) are dying off, but the evangelical churches seem to be holding constant. The new folks might not care as much about gays, but their influence will still be felt.

[Yank Mike]

This is why Trump is the best. Lena Dunham was the latest celeb to announce a Canada move is Trump is elected (why don't they threaten a move to Mexico?). Trump responds.

 

"She's a B actor and has no mojo," Trump said. "I heard Whoopi Goldberg said that, too. That would be a great, great thing for our country if she got out."

 

"We'll get rid of Rosie? Oh, I love it. Now I have to get elected because I'll be doing a great service to our country. I have to," Trump said. "Now it's much more important. In fact, I'll immediately get off this call and start campaigning right now."

[Mr. Brightside]

That's why he's the best?

[Mr. Brightside]

Hillary Clinton is the American Dugdale, says her campaign is "bold, progressive goals" and this belter "we believe in goodness of our people and the greatness of our nation" minter.

[Yank Mike]

Yes! Bobby Knight will be appearing with Trump in Indiana tomorrow. For those that don't know, Bobby Knight was the Indiana University basketball coach and one of the all time legendary sports figures in America. Check out his Wiki controversy section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Knight

Facing a 6 month jail sentence if he ever goes back to Puerto Rico for assaulting a cop while coaching our national team, comparing bad referees to rape in a national interview and saying that if it was inevitable you should "just relax and enjoy it," multiple assaults on his bosses, coworkers, and students,

"In a game at Bloomington on January 31, 1981 between Indiana and Purdue, Hoosier star Isiah Thomas allegedly hit Purdue guard Roosevelt Barnes in what some critics described as a "sucker punch".^[46] Video replay shown by Knight later showed Barnes had mistakenly thrown the first punch, and that Thomas was merely reacting to this. When the two schools played their second game of the season at Purdue on February 7, 1981, Knight claimed a number of derisive chants were directed at him, his wife, and Indiana University. In response Knight invited Purdue athletic director George King on his weekly television show to discuss the matter, but King declined. Therefore, in place of King, Knight brought onto the show a "jackass" (male donkey) wearing a Purdue hat as a representative of Purdue.^[47][48] The 1980–81 Hoosiers would go on to win the 1981 NCAA National Championship, the school's fourth national title."

Many more.

 

My family had just moved to Indiana when he was finally fired by IU. I'll never forget the tv coverage that night. I thought the students were going to burn down campus. The next day in high school two of our four 1 and 1/2 hour periods were devoted to talking about the situation. I'd never seen people so mad before. At that point, Indiana was a state where the college basketball program was the most important sports team. By now the NFL has caught up, but the Colts and Hoosiers basketball are 1a and 1b. Bobby Knight is still the most beloved sports figure in that state along with Peyton Manning, but he rarely goes back because of how he was fired. It's amazing that he's going back for Trump.

 

Top 10 Knight soundbites.

 

Bob Knight speech to his team that was secretly recorded. The best part is after it surfaced online years later none of the players remember this speech specifically because all of them were like this.