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They are an idea.

Easy enough to circumvent any licensing rules by just starting up a new club or using an amateur team with no financial past.

Its all a sham,typical SFA cock up.

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Edu Sports Academy are not licensed and play at the community board level, so it's not really comparable. The EoS and SoS may still be "senior", but are no longer fully on par in status terms with the HL and LL clubs. Just to wind you up I'll provide a junior analogy. When Harthill Royal Bar joined the east region they had to drop the Bar part of their name so they no longer sounded like a pub team. Think, in a similar way, if a youth club starts a professional board level team they should be encouraged to no longer sound like a youth club. If they are based in Cupar, I would have thought that Cupar should probably feature prominently in their name, if they are going to be featuring on the likes of Sky and the BBC when results are being shown.

You'll no wind me up mate I'd swap ww with Bo'ness anytime (and it's just my opinion by the way) for obvious reasons as long as we can keep our license and play in the "big" Scottish Cup every season ;)

Red Bull Saltzberg probably sounds more like a pub team than Royal Bar :P

If AM or any individual for that wants to pump money into a new club I'm sure there be nowt the bbc or sky can do about it. Sky even has a cycling team these days.

It's not gonnae be about the name it's more like pound signs that determines a new team by sounds of it :D

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On and on from the usual suspects on the senior vs junior tribalism thing.

Bloody hell - getting lectures on tribalism from P&B's resident apologist for the Orange Order! :huh:

They are an idea.

Easy enough to circumvent any licensing rules by just starting up a new club or using an amateur team with no financial past.

Its all a sham,typical SFA cock up.

Kind of lucky the SFA never took the same attitude to Clydebank when the Steedmans allowed them to steal East Stirlingshire's place in the SFL for a season & even gave them a whole free place to themselves without due process when it all unravelled. :whistle

Clydebank fans have no more right to get holier than thou over club skulduggery for commercial advancement than Hearts fans can get holier than thou over unpaid bills and loony owners.

Edited by WaffenThinMint

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They seem to have the same structure as Spartans with hundreds of youth players, 18 already professional and 7 in the young Scottish National Teams. The guy who started its bio is impressive on Wikipedia anyway. Name aside the fanbase would probably come from the kids who play in the Club and families of the kids. Seems like it has been built robustly from the bottom up, not the top down. Time will tell, football's changing.

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The whole thing stinks,the system is favouring non clubs with no playing or financial history to start up at a moments notice and groundshare.Pyramid?

It helped a group of fans who's team was moved to Airdrie a short time ago right enough.

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Fanbase ? :lol:

If they played in Cupar maybe they would attract some people along to their games, but I seriously doubt there's a market for an LL team in Methil when East Fife find it difficult enough to attract a fanbase. That being said though given the other three applicants (so far) will no doubt include the likes of Duns and Coldstream, there's probably a good chance they'll get in.

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Austin MacPhee has worked for St Mirren and is currently working with the Northern Irish FA in a coaching / match analysis role and is very well respected in north east fife, not just because of his coaching credentials but also the 500 + kids within the AM soccer youth system, many of whom have gone on to sign with professional clubs.

There is already a 3G pitch at duffus park which is run by the fife sport and leisure trust. I'm not aware of any plans to have a new 3G in the same park and would be astonished if that happened. Howe of Fife RFC are relocating their clubhouse from the town centre to the park which will incorporate changing rooms, function areas, cafe etc but no new astro.

As mentioned above, I believe they are looking into ground sharing with East Fife.

I don't buy into the 'who'll support them' comments. They're a club who want to progress as high up the pyramid as they can and have a solid youth set up already in place, and for me that should draw praise as opposed to criticism.

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If they played in Cupar maybe they would attract some people along to their games, but I seriously doubt there's a market for an LL team in Methil when East Fife find it difficult enough to attract a fanbase. That being said though given the other three applicants (so far) will no doubt include the likes of Duns and Coldstream, there's probably a good chance they'll get in.

Are we in a rush to fill the remaining two places? I don't think there is any to say that the places have to be filled for next season, I would hold the places open as a carrot for a couple of the big junior clubs to jump ship. They are more likely to be tempted to join the pyramid via the Lowland League than go through either of the feeder leagues.

For the good of Scottish football we need unification of non league football and it is more likely to happen if the better junior clubs are tempted into the fold. I believe it will happen sooner rather than later as the SJFA seem to be a totally discredited organisation.

If AM soccer are serious about joining senior football then they should do it through the East of Scotland League. They can still get their license but and if they are good enough they will be in the LL in a couple of years.

Cheers

A U Supect

Edited by Cicero

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Are we in a rush to fill the remaining two places? I don't think there is any to say that the places have to be filled for next season, I would hold the places open as a carrot for a couple of the big junior clubs to jump ship. They are more likely to be tempted to join the pyramid via the Lowland League that go through either of the feeder leagues.

For the good of Scottish football we need unification of non league football and it is more likely to happen if the better junior clubs are tempted into the fold. I believe it will happen sooner rather than later as the SJFA seem to be a totally discredited organisation.

If AM soccer are serious about joining senior football then they should do it through the East of Scotland League. They can still get their license but and if they are good enough they will be in the LL in a couple of years.

Cheers

A U Supect

Filling it with school teams ain't going to tempt big juniors or unconvinced supporters.

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Filling it with school teams ain't going to tempt big juniors or unconvinced supporters.

I wasn't so ungracious in my choice of language but did I not imply as such.

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I wasn't so ungracious in my choice of language but did I not imply as such.

I was agreeing with your point about tempting juniors by keeping places open.

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Think they will be under pressure to get up to 16 so they can have a 30 game season. Questions would be asked about the viability of the new setup if a club like Clyde wound up playing a 26 game season a few months from now.

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Tbf, that's just the 'superficial' figure.

With 12 clubs last season, and 14 this season, the LL Cup has been used to create equivalent games to 16 clubs.

There are also 2 further knockout cups, plus the Scottish and presumably Petrofac cups.

EDIT: Clyde played 37 games in SPFL2 + League Cup this season.

They'd probably have played something similar with 26 LL + 3 LL Cup sections + LL cup knockouts + South Challenge Cup + local cup.

Clearly equivalency isn't the aim anyway as neither HL or LL is envisaged to reach 36 games, AFAIA. And of course they finish a fortnight earlier due to the way the playoffs work.

Edited by HibeeJibee

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Austin MacPhee has worked for St Mirren and is currently working with the Northern Irish FA in a coaching / match analysis role and is very well respected in north east fife, not just because of his coaching credentials but also the 500 + kids within the AM soccer youth system, many of whom have gone on to sign with professional clubs.

There is already a 3G pitch at duffus park which is run by the fife sport and leisure trust. I'm not aware of any plans to have a new 3G in the same park and would be astonished if that happened. Howe of Fife RFC are relocating their clubhouse from the town centre to the park which will incorporate changing rooms, function areas, cafe etc but no new astro.

As mentioned above, I believe they are looking into ground sharing with East Fife.

I don't buy into the 'who'll support them' comments. They're a club who want to progress as high up the pyramid as they can and have a solid youth set up already in place, and for me that should draw praise as opposed to criticism.

Also had a spell as a coach at Cowden.

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Filling it with school teams ain't going to tempt big juniors or unconvinced supporters.

Will it matter a tuppenny damn if the "school teams" provide more supporters? Especially as it's looking more & more less of an onerous task to do as well or better the "big juniors" for those bread and butter league fixtures.

As pointed out earlier, there was a crucial match last Saturday between Irvine Meadow and Clydebank. To both sides it was a make or break match - Medda had to win for their title challenge to have a realistic hope of not being overtaken by Talbot who have five games in hand & are only eight points behind. Clydebank had to win to keep Shotts Bon Accord, Kilbirnie Ladeside & Cumnock close enough for any realistic hope of avoiding automatic relegation. Both boast - especially Clydebank to the point of tedium - about their huge support. The game was at an excellent ground.

In short, everything factor was in place that should have attracted a healthy crowd. Yet between them they could only muster a @150 attendance. If this is the best the "big Juniors" can do for a "crucial" match, are they really worth the wooing at the expense of other avenues of encouraging new blood?

Like I've said before, the LL needs to forget trying to bring any of the Juniors in & indulging their "special little snowflakes" pretentions. They'll come in soon enough one by one as they realise it's going to be that or die a slow death at the hands of their collective incompetence, & those who won't will be no great loss.

Edited by WaffenThinMint

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It's 20 years since the franchising of Meadowbank Thistle was allowed to go ahead against the wishes of the fans.....anything goes it seems.

This Fife lot would have to satisfy certain criteria along with any other applicants before being accepted of course.It would be interesting if one Junior club were to break ranks though as some might say it would add weight to their application just as a GIRUY to the SJFA. But I dare say the Lowland League management committee are beyond such shenanigans...

I don't know about the crowds a Cupar team would attact but it's a biggish town and I went to a Kennoway Star Hearts game in the Juniors last year and there seemed to be a no bad home support considering the team play in a field up a track next to a dot on the map.

There is also a nice bakers in Cupar too....

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Couldn't care less about fan numbers, should not be taken into account in the application process. The best performing licensed sides should be accepted, if am soccer can prove they will be licensed by the season start then they should be accepted if no better licensed side apply. Places shouldn't be held back in case the juniors change their mind. They can apply this time round, but if they don't and enough properly placed clubs do then tough shit, they will have had 3 chances to apply, that's plenty time.

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Ignoring the turgid senior vs junior sectarianism from the usual suspects, let's stick to the why the need to expand topic.

EDIT: Clyde played 37 games in SPFL2 + League Cup this season.

They'd probably have played something similar with 26 LL + 3 LL Cup sections + LL cup knockouts + South Challenge Cup + local cup.

There's also the Ramsden Cup. With 16 teams and a sectional league cup, it's easy to come up with 36 guaranteed games before knockout formats are factored in and show that the fixture lists are directly comparable in both contexts. Odds on 16 was the envisaged number for that reason. Personally think 10 would have been the better way to go initially, so a greater emphasis could have been placed on quality, but that was binned after the HL insisted on remaining intact.

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