jamamafegan Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 This is absolutely brilliant news. Another nail in the coffin of driven grouse shooting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Fantastic. If they have to wear targets on their backs, can we shoot them anywhere or just on grouse moors? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 If anyone fancies a laugh check out the SGAs response to the fact grouse moors now require to be licenced with plans for this to commence immediately. https://news.scottishgamekeepers.co.uk/2020/11/chairman-comment-grouse-moor-licensing.html?m=1Absolutely delicious stuff there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Grouse are delicious and shooting is a healthy outdoor sport. No wonder NatGov hates it. -6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Actively shooting animals for sport has no place in a civilised society. Glad to see that being phased out up here. Another step forward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Just now, The_Kincardine said: Grouse are delicious and shooting is a healthy outdoor sport. No wonder NatGov hates it. One to many gins tonight Kink. No one is talking about banning the "sport" although it's about as sporting as Messi taking penalty kicks into a new born baby. All that will be achieved is tightening up the practice, I don't think ensuring that a lot of people with guns obey the law is controversial particularly when other predators of grouse have been killed by humans. There is no reason there can't be a diverse Highlands with controlled grouse moors but the current situation is unsustainable in every sense of the word. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, 101 said: One to many gins tonight Kink. No one is talking about banning the "sport" although it's about as sporting as Messi taking penalty kicks into a new born baby. All that will be achieved is tightening up the practice, I don't think ensuring that a lot of people with guns obey the law is controversial particularly when other predators of grouse have been killed by humans. There is no reason there can't be a diverse Highlands with controlled grouse moors but the current situation is unsustainable in every sense of the word. This old trope? Really? Scottish shooting estates are brilliant for so many reasons - not least of which is decent land management. We both know that this measure is heehaw to do with protecting raptors. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: This old trope? Really? Scottish shooting estates are brilliant for so many reasons - not least of which is decent land management. We both know that this measure is heehaw to do with protecting raptors. I thought it was Friday, it is for me! I'm not sure flattening everything is "decent land management" Enlighten me, so this is just to stop folk shooting? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted November 26, 2020 Author Share Posted November 26, 2020 Scottish shooting estates are brilliant for so many reasons - not least of which is decent land management.Maintaining a monoculture of heather through burning and cutting drains into peat is not decent land management.Please explain these “brilliant” reasons. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, 101 said: I thought it was Friday, it is for me! I'm not sure flattening everything is "decent land management" Enlighten me, so this is just to stop folk shooting? It is all about 'estates': The estates from which the ScotNats get their biggest support vs the estates which the jealous Natter hoi polloi despise as a symbol of Tory privilege. Handing out licensing is simply no more than Natter tokenism. Again.. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 Just now, The_Kincardine said: It is all about 'estates': The estates from which the ScotNats get their biggest support vs the estates which the jealous Natter hoi polloi despise as a symbol of Tory privilege. Handing out licensing is simply no more than Natter tokenism. Again.. So this is to what shut the estates down? Tbh I'm not sure it is when these estates were first established the people in them felt duty bound to protect them in the main to protect the natural environment the modern estates are to drive maximum profit at the expense of the country and the world reminding these people that money is no good when the earth is a blackened rock I don't think is progressive it's common sense. Do you not agree that more diversity would benefit the country? Otherwise if I get gifted enough money to AstroTurf the earth I should be able to? Or do you not think an elected government should be able to protect its natural environment and resources against people who through nothing but luck own enormous chucks of Scotland and do with it what they please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: Grouse are delicious and shooting is a healthy outdoor sport. No wonder NatGov hates it. 16 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: This old trope? Really? Scottish shooting estates are brilliant for so many reasons - not least of which is decent land management. We both know that this measure is heehaw to do with protecting raptors. 9 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: It is all about 'estates': The estates from which the ScotNats get their biggest support vs the estates which the jealous Natter hoi polloi despise as a symbol of Tory privilege. Handing out licensing is simply no more than Natter tokenism. Again.. "Decent land management" You're either desperate or monumentally stupid. Which is it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 1 minute ago, 101 said: So this is to what shut the estates down? Tbh I'm not sure it is when these estates were first established the people in them felt duty bound to protect them in the main to protect the natural environment the modern estates are to drive maximum profit at the expense of the country During my time in A'deenshire I got to know a fair few estate owners and my (then) Mrs did a fair bit of work with said estate owners - having come from a shooting estate in Sweden herself. The land is their asset and that they are good husbanders of it is beyond doubt, in most cases. This is nothing more than the politics of envy but, sadly, not surprising. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I see that the hapless Jupe - the Wolfie Smith of our forum - is joining in. Nothing good will come from his contribution. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 14 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: During my time in A'deenshire I got to know a fair few estate owners and my (then) Mrs did a fair bit of work with said estate owners - having come from a shooting estate in Sweden herself. The land is their asset and that they are good husbanders of it is beyond doubt, in most cases. This is nothing more than the politics of envy but, sadly, not surprising. I'm don't envy anyone who owns an estate, it requires a lot of work and money to run one in the correct manor. Grouse moors in the main are baron places with nothing other than grouse it is of course their asset but just as you can't do what you like to a house the way they manage their land should be subject to control by the relevant authorities 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted November 26, 2020 Share Posted November 26, 2020 I agree with Kincardine for once. I have always pushed the licensing thing through SNP policy making structures as a Trojan horse for the eventual ban of grouse moors and hopefully after the that the state seizure of shooting estates. Punishing Tories and their housejock lackies is right up there in my motivations for doing so. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 22 minutes ago, The_Kincardine said: I see that the hapless Jupe - the Wolfie Smith of our forum - is joining in. Nothing good will come from his contribution. Rent-free, as per. Glorious stuff. Btw, made-up tales with made-up people from nineteen-fucking-oatcake don't count for shit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: I agree with Kincardine for once. I have always pushed the licensing thing through SNP policy making structures as a Trojan horse for the eventual ban of grouse moors and hopefully after the that the state seizure of shooting estates. Punishing Tories and their housejock lackies is right up there in my motivations for doing so. And once shooting is banned, I've a feeling that I know which sport will be next in the firing line. The grouse estates do themselves no favours and play into the hands of the antis but for me and many others this could eventually affect our own pass time/sport if we stay silent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Just now, bennett said: And once shooting is banned, I've a feeling that I know which sport will be next in the firing line. The grouse estates do themselves no favours and play into the hands of the antis but for me and many others this could eventually affect our own pass time/sport if we stay silent. If you're honestly suggesting football will face harsher government sanctions once grouse shooting is banned then that is wild. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Kincardine Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 28 minutes ago, 101 said: Grouse moors in the main are baron places Good lord! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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