bennett Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Yet these politicians, ecologists and conservationists hardly utter a word about the destruction caused by the west coast fish farms. Maybe the keepers have a point about cuddly wuddly animals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Golden Plovers are another of the hunters best friends. They always claim the amount of plovers abound on grouse estates as an example of good land management e.g. killing every raptor, fox, pine Martin, weasel and stoat within 10 miles. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 (edited) 44 minutes ago, invergowrie arab said: Golden Plovers are another of the hunters best friends. They always claim the amount of plovers abound on grouse estates as an example of good land management e.g. killing every raptor, fox, pine Martin, weasel and stoat within 10 miles. The problem with the claim of plovers, curlew, lapwings etc. doing well on grouse moors is that their success in breeding there doesn't actually add much to their overall population. Would imagine that the runty/sickly/terminally stupid young that would be picked off by the predators that should be present on a grouse moor are simply being caught as soon as they leave. That's the problem when people who "control/manage" the countryside have no clue about how an ecosystem actually works. Edited June 18, 2020 by Rizzo 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Excuse my ignorance but why are hares a problem on grouse moors? Under what pretence did they shoot them previously 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 26 minutes ago, 101 said: Excuse my ignorance but why are hares a problem on grouse moors? Under what pretence did they shoot them previously Ticks which spread disease to grouse is the reason most often given. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snobot Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, MixuFruit said: as if by magic: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/scottish-salmon-farmers-to-be-banned-from-shooting-seals Only being banned because the American market won’t accept their product unless they do so. If they invested in adequate double netting or closed containment they wouldn’t have a problem with seals. Another example of creating a completely unnatural environment and being surprised when loads of predators or other species turn up as a result. Seals are very much a side issue to the real problems with salmon farming, namely pollution (organic and chemical), disease and sea lice transfer wiping out wild salmonids, chemicals which target shell fish, escapees compromising the wild gene pool through inter-breeding, micro plastic pollution through wear on feedpipes, endless rubbish washed up on our shores. The list goes on. And mainly owned and run by Norwegian multinationals for the benefit of their shareholders. Our West coast is anything but pristine at the moment and the man in charge (Ewing) couldn’t give a damn. This is the latest thing they want to try to combat their ever-losing battle with sea lice. Highly toxic chemicals banned for use on land - https://theferret.scot/fish-farm-companies-bee-harming-pesticide/ I wouldn’t touch farmed salmon with a barge pole and anyone with any interest in Scotland’s environment should think carefully about their choice as a consumer. As Bennett says, out of sight, out of mind. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted June 18, 2020 Author Share Posted June 18, 2020 Stopped eating Scottish salmon about two years ago. Vile stuff. If you want to keep eating salmon just stick to the pacific stuff. Most shops have it. I miss smoked salmon but I suppose I could smoke my own if I really wanted to. The coop were selling smoked trout at one point, not sure if that’s still a thing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzo Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, Snobot said: Only being banned because the American market won’t accept their product unless they do so. If they invested in adequate double netting or closed containment they wouldn’t have a problem with seals. Another example of creating a completely unnatural environment and being surprised when loads of predators or other species turn up as a result. Seals are very much a side issue to the real problems with salmon farming, namely pollution (organic and chemical), disease and sea lice transfer wiping out wild salmonids, chemicals which target shell fish, escapees compromising the wild gene pool through inter-breeding, micro plastic pollution through wear on feedpipes, endless rubbish washed up on our shores. The list goes on. And mainly owned and run by Norwegian multinationals for the benefit of their shareholders. Our West coast is anything but pristine at the moment and the man in charge (Ewing) couldn’t give a damn. This is the latest thing they want to try to combat their ever-losing battle with sea lice. Highly toxic chemicals banned for use on land - https://theferret.scot/fish-farm-companies-bee-harming-pesticide/ I wouldn’t touch farmed salmon with a barge pole and anyone with any interest in Scotland’s environment should think carefully about their choice as a consumer. As Bennett says, out of sight, out of mind. We went out on a boat trip from Oban about 6 years ago with a marine biologist who talked about this issue during the day (David Ainsley). Been telling everyone to avoid farmed fish since then. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 IIRC the SG signed some deal to shift a load of farmed salmon to China and Edinburgh Zoo got a couple of pandas as part of the agreement. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snobot Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Forgot to mention hoovering up west African fisheries to create fish food, thus wreaking people’s livelihoods and another ecosystem. Plus I think 5kg wild fish processed were needed to grow on 1kg farmed fish. I think they are adding all sorts to the food now (eg soya) to lessen the fish meal requirement. You sometimes see smoked sea trout (possible in co-op) which is basically sea grown caged trout from Loch Etive with all the same issues as salmon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 2 hours ago, MixuFruit said: as if by magic: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/17/scottish-salmon-farmers-to-be-banned-from-shooting-seals That's my point, they're completely ignoring the plight of migratory fish and other fish/shellfish which are being decimated by fish farms. Increased levels of sea lice eating salmon and sea trout alive as they try to enter west coast rivers and sea lochs, chemical and waste pollution and escaped stocked fish breeding with native stocks. And that's only the tip of the iceberg. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 hour ago, invergowrie arab said: Ticks which spread disease to grouse is the reason most often given. Thanks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamamafegan Posted July 27, 2020 Author Share Posted July 27, 2020 https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2020/07/27/satellite-tagged-white-tailed-eagle-found-poisoned-on-grouse-moor-in-cairngorms-national-park/Big raptor persecution story out today as a white tailed eagle is confirmed to have been found poisoned on a grouse moor in the Cairngorms National Park. The days of driven grouse shooting are surely numbered. This simply cannot continue. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rizzo Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 1 hour ago, jamamafegan said: https://raptorpersecutionscotland.wordpress.com/2020/07/27/satellite-tagged-white-tailed-eagle-found-poisoned-on-grouse-moor-in-cairngorms-national-park/ Big raptor persecution story out today as a white tailed eagle is confirmed to have been found poisoned on a grouse moor in the Cairngorms National Park. The days of driven grouse shooting are surely numbered. This simply cannot continue. The Cairngorms are every bit as bad as North Yorkshire. Might as well change the name to Wildlife Crime National Park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Sea eagles diet mostly consists of fish and water birds, anything else like game or livestock is pretty rare. These birds were extinct in the uk until the 70s, utterly senseless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 Im a big fan of sharks. Not enough is being done to protect sharks. Mako sharks in particular are being hunted to dangerous levels to feed the chinese shark fin soup market. There is an international effort to reduce the Harm of mako fishing but for some reason the UK has so far refused to sign up. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snobot Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 https://sourcenews.scot/robin-mcalpine-ignore-the-lies-land-reform-is-legal-and-eagles-dont-fall-from-the-skies/ Quite an interesting piece. As long as craven shitebags like Ewing are in positions of power and influence nothing will change. It would come as no surprise if the keepering classes have indeed used lockdown as a raptor extermination opportunity. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 12 hours ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Im a big fan of sharks. Not enough is being done to protect sharks. Mako sharks in particular are being hunted to dangerous levels to feed the chinese shark fin soup market. There is an international effort to reduce the Harm of mako fishing but for some reason the UK has so far refused to sign up. We're a nation of soup lovers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 https://www.thenational.scot/news/18655124.lynx-set-brought-back-scottish-forests-five-years/ This looks like good news, a litter can be up to 8 cats so should have healthy numbers in a few years and the best news is they kill deer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hedgecutter Posted August 17, 2020 Share Posted August 17, 2020 I for one love the satisfaction of successfully climbing over a deer fence. Bring on the lynx fence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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