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1 hour ago, KnightswoodBear said:

Nice beaver.

I expected better of you.

(No, not really.)

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I like the torn faced farmer in the BBC article. Get it up ye!

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26 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

I like the torn faced farmer in the BBC article. Get it up ye!

Aye. It's always 'you townies don't understand the country ways. We're the ones in harmony with nature and your silly laws stopping us making animals extinct are out of touch'

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Was it farmers who made them extinct the first time round?

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33 minutes ago, Busta Nut said:

I like the torn faced farmer in the BBC article. Get it up ye!

That'll be Adrian Ivory, poster boy of British farming, from Strathisla farms, since his role in an Asda advert. I'm fairly sure his farm is best known for pedigree cattle. 

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1 minute ago, Jacksgranda said:

Was it farmers who made them extinct the first time round?

Trappers for their fur probably. 

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I would have thought that, too.

I can understand why farmers might have objections.

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Mon the beaver! But being serious do we not need to keep their numbers in check, due to Scotland not having the woodland is once did before we killed them all

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5 minutes ago, Adam101 said:

 

Mon the beaver! But being serious do we not need to incentivise riparian forestry, due to Scotland not having the woodland is once did before we killed them all

this instead tbh.  Willow, Birch, Alder all grow super fast near rivers & slow down run-off from fields to boot but fermers like easy access to water courses for their livestock.

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2 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

this instead tbh.  Willow, Birch, Alder all grow super fast near rivers & slow down run-off from fields to boot but fermers like easy access to water courses for their livestock.

Cheers Mixu! Whenever you and @jamamafegan post on these threads I realise how little I know about Scotland's environment you are a couple of gems here!

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On 28/02/2019 at 16:02, jamamafegan said:

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For those who don’t know, this is the practise known as muir burning. Estate workers torch the hills to allow new heather to grow for the grouse to eat in preparation for following shooting seasons. It’s one of the reasons why huge parts of our country are devoid of life, complete wastelands.

I think grouse shooting has a place in Scotland but it’s currently an unsustainable practise and it’s terrible for native wildlife. Imagine what our country would look like with not just more trees, but with upland scrubland and true succession of plants into the alpine zone. It would be glorious.

I can only imagine that most people who refer to Scotland's 'natural beauty' don't quite appreciate that very, very little of our landscape is natural/wild.  Other than patches like Glen Affric with it's preserved Caledonian forest, the entire place from the wide expanses of fields to the hills in your picture (even if you took the pylon out) is little more than a landscape designed by man, for man.

We pretend that we're 'saving the planet' (whatever that means) but all we're really doing is cherry picking things and designing a world that we find the most beneficial for mankind and aesthetically pleasing.   If the panda wasn't cute and cuddly then nobody would give a f*** about something that's too lazy to shag itself out of extinction.   Here, eagles & wolves look pretty cool and the beaver is good for a laugh (both good for drawing in the tourists of course), hence they also get relatively easy backing.

However, if you take pollinators as one example, which are key for agriculture but in serious decline, we hear nothing about reintroducing bees and wasps, 8 species of which became extinct in the UK during the 1900's.  A 'more wasps' campaign is political suicide though, so not worth the fuss.

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Glen Affric is like another world. I read somewhere it technically counts as rainforest - I had no idea you could get rainforest outside places like Brazil!

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9 minutes ago, MixuFixit said:

Glen Affric is like another world. I read somewhere it technically counts as rainforest - I had no idea you could get rainforest outside places like Brazil!

The one inside Butterfly World by Dalkeith is probably more convenient for you.  For a start, they have toilets where you can go for a sh*te without getting your arsecheeks bitten by midges or a big b*****d anaconda.

 

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On ‎12‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 08:03, jamamafegan said:

A bit of a set back yesterday for the rewilding movement, albeit in England.

Lynx UK Trust’s application for reintroduction of Lynx to Northumberland has been rejected by the government.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-46446890

Real shame this as it would likely have paved the way for reintroductions in Scotland as well. I was under the impression that Lynx UK are pretty on the ball so I was surprised to see the government say there was any holes
in the plans. Probably the UK government being complete dicks as usual.

Reintroducing the lynx has to be the next major rewilding step in Scotland. Sadly as RiG has said above, it’s unlikely the SNP would risk upsetting rural communities - and we have absolute backwards numpties like Ewing to contend with. There would have to be overwhelming support in the countryside from SNP voting landowners.

Lynx Trust UK are at it. they don't have the backing of any credible scientific or natural heritage body and seem to be very keen for people to make donations.

There is worse than that I'll leave it at that as they are notriously litigous as Andy Wightman is finding out and I'll wait and see what the outcome of that case is.

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Cracking thread this. I look forward to reading "Rewilding Scotland" so thanks for the tips. 

Also, I'm less pissed off with gamekeepers than I am with the landowners who employ them. It's like being annoyed at polis for particular laws. They're just the servants of the rich.

I'm glad someone mentioned bees and wasps. I like the idea of Lynx, Wolves and Bears, but the bees are far more important.

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6 hours ago, MixuFixit said:

Aye. It's always 'you townies don't understand the country ways. We're the ones in harmony with nature and your silly laws stopping us making animals extinct are out of touch'

I managed to get myself into an argument on facebook with one of these recently and had the attached graphic thrown at me.

Conveniently missing the point that sparrow hawks and buzzards were nearly persecuted out of existance by game keepers and struggled to reproduce due to the massive amounts of DDT that were thrown about in the 50's and 60's which led to their numbers crashing to near extinction levels.

Also fails to take into account the massive loss of habitat and insects and the fact that all over the world predator numbers are influenced by available prey numbers and not the other way around. 

But yeah, its us townies that don't understand basic ecology.

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