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so, in summary then;

1. Reynard "hates Islam" but not its adherents apparently, despite the fact that Islam is "breaking out all over Europe" and we're "20 years too late" to do anything about it. All Muslamics hate the West and its freedoms and the two are incompatible, apparently, despite the Islamic and non-Islamic worlds co-existing pretty happily for most of a millennium and a half.

2. Reynard is really desperate for a "leftie" to say something along the lines of "the Jews have brought it on themselves because Palestine", and has failed comprehensively to get anyone to say any such thing. Apparently some random person did on TV though, so, er, point proven. No one can quite remember what the original point was, but never mind.

3. Reynard thinks multiculturalism has failed because of Islam. He has admitted to having no idea what multiculturalism is, but anyway, that doesn't matter, because, er, Angela Merkel said something vaguely along those lines on the telly whilst Reynard was semi distrcted by the pages of either Art & Antiques or Guns & Ammo- probably the latter given the mood he's been in lately.

4. so, in spite of there being no evidence of well, pretty much anything Reynard has said, (catastrophist ramblings about Islam taking over and being out to do us all in and take away our red telephone boxes) he's right anway. Don't confuse him with the facts.

Hope this short message has helped you all avoid the turgid clusterfuck of the last half dozen pages.

The conquest of Jerusalem in 638 stood at the beginning of centuries of Muslim aggression. Christians in the Holy Land faced an escalating spiral of persecution. Early in the ninth century, the persecution grew so severe that large numbers of Christians fled to Constantinople and other Christians cities. More persecutions in 923 saw additional churches destroyed, and in 937, Muslims went on a Palm Sunday rampage in Jerusalem, plundering and destroying the Church of Calvary and the Church of the Resurrection.

Christians then moved from a defensive policy to an offensive policy towards the Muslims, and tried to recapture some of their territories, seized by Muslims. In 960 General Nicephorus Phocas carried out a series of successful campaigns against the Muslims. In 969 he recaptured Antioch, and extended his campaign into Syria.

In Islamic theology, if any land has ever belonged to the House of Islam, it belongs forever-and Muslims must wage war to regain control over it. In 974, faced with a string of losses to the Byzantines, the Abbasid (Sunni) caliph in Bagdad declared jihad. This followed yearly jihad campaigns launched by Saif al-Dawla, ruler of the Shi’ite Hamdanid dynasty I Aleppo from 944 to 967. However, Sunni/Shi’ite disunity ultimately hamperred Islamic jihad efforts, and in 1001 the Byzantine emperor Basil II concluded a ten year truce with the Fatimid (Shi’ite) caliph.

Basil soon learned that to conclude such truces was futile, in 1004, the sixth Fatimid caliph, Abu’Ali al-Mansur ai Hakim (985-1021) turned violently against the faith of his Christian mother and uncles (two of whom were patriarchs), ordering the destruction of churches, the burning of crosses, and the seizure of church property. He moved against the Jews with similar ferocity. Over the next ten years thirty thousand churches were destroyed, and untold numbers of Christians converted to Islam simply to save their lives. In 1009, al-Hakim commanded that the Church of the holy Sepulcher and the Church of the Resurrection to be destroyed. He ordered Christians to wear heavy crosses around their necks (and for Jews, heavy blocks of wood the shape of a calf). He piled on other humiliating decrees, culminating in the order that they accept Islam or leave his dominion

The erratic caliph ultimately relaxed his persecution of non-Muslims. This was probably due to his increasing tenuous connection to Islamic orthodoxy. This allowed the Byzantines to rebuild the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in 1027.

In 1056, the Muslims expelled three hundred Christians from Jerusalem and forbad European Christians from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulcher. When the Seljuk Turks sweapt down from central Asia, they enforced a new Islamic rigor, making life increasingly difficult for both native Christians and pilgrims. After they crushed the Byzantines at Manzikert in 1071 and took the Byzantine empoperor Ronanus IV Diogenes prisoner, all of Asia Minor was open to them. In 1076, they conquered Syria; in 1077, Jerusalem. The Seljuk emir Atsiz bin Uwaq promised not to harm the inhabitants of Jerusalem, but once his men had entered the city, they murdered three thousand people.

The new emperor Alexius I Comnenus (1081-1118, swallowed his pride and appealed for help. And that is how the First Crusade came about.

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er, there has been as Islamic community in Britian since the 18th century (thanks initially to the British East India Company); mosques in Britian since the late 19th century; and significant Muslim populations in London and Cardiff since the beginning of the twentieth century. The Cardiff Somali community is probably the oldest established Muslim community in the UK.

There would have been a good few Muslims merchants and functionaries in Elizabethan London. England had particularly good relations with Morocco as back then it was the Catholics who presented a "terror threat" and the Moors were at loggerheads with Spain so they were basically cool

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screeds and screeds about seven instances of inter-communal violence / conflict in four centuries.

what's your point?

Edited to add: you also appear to be C&Ping your observations from various extremist anti-Islamic geocities websites. Nice.

Edited by Ivo den Bieman

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screeds and screeds about seven instances of inter-communal violence / conflict in four centuries.

what's your point?

I barely summarized the history. there were much more instances of Christian persecutions than seven.

If you look at your post, you will see the part of the text that I have put in bold and was answering. I only took my post to the beginning of the Crusades. Which suggests to me you were being facetious.

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I barely summarized the history. there were much more instances of Christian persecutions than seven.

If you look at your post, you will see the part of the text that I have put in bold and was answering. I only took my post to the beginning of the Crusades. Which suggests to me you were being facetious.

What's your point ? That Christians were persecuted at some point in history ?

We've invaded every country on the planet bar a couple. You can't moan about persecution of other races/religions when you stay in the UK.

Edited by AUFC90

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I barely summarized the history. there were much more instances of Christian persecutions than seven.

If you look at your post, you will see the part of the text that I have put in bold and was answering. I only took my post to the beginning of the Crusades. Which suggests to me you were being facetious.

Did you write your own replies, or did you cut and paste paragraphs from various wingnut anti-Islam websites?

of course there were some conflicts. Hence the use of the words "for most of" in the bolded bit you have replied to.

Edited by Ivo den Bieman

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Did you write your own replies, or did you cut and paste paragraphs from various wingnut anti-Islam websites?

of course there were some conflicts. Hence the use of the words "for most of" in the bolded bit you have replied to.

Well if you are just going to insult me, you can get lost.

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Well if you are just going to insult me, you can get lost.

sorry, where was the insult in my question?

did you cut & paste your potted history from extremist anti-Islam websites, or not?

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The vast majority of German immigration has been Turks and Arabs in recent times. They havent "integrated". Why not?

99% :1eye

Stop making stuff up an passing it off as fact.

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Stop making stuff up an passing it off as fact.

That's your job, isn't it?

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No lets just keep it to the past thirty of forty years.

We've imported Islam. And Islam is causing a problem because elements wont integrate which has led to the likes of Merkel admitting that the multicultural experiment has "utterly failed". Even muslims themselves admitted this on Panorama on Monday night.

How convenient.

How did Christianity and Judaism get here? What happened to our native, indigenous paganism? Why were nine million women killed by the Catholic Church?

Islam like Christianity and Judaism all stem from the same source - all are Semite Abrahamic religions from the same place. All are 'foreign'. Maybe Christianity came here first - doesn't make it less foreign.

As to immigrantion and multi-culturalism....

My kids are half-German. Are they inferior or a threat because of this? In school, there are classmates who are either fully or 'half' French, Italian, Polish, English, Bulgarian, American and Irish. Most of them are bilingual. Is this really a problem? Is this a threat to our 'native' pure culture/ race - whatever that may be?

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There would have been a good few Muslims merchants and functionaries in Elizabethan London. England had particularly good relations with Morocco as back then it was the Catholics who presented a "terror threat" and the Moors were at loggerheads with Spain so they were basically cool

Aye but... dosen't fit today's narrative!

True that other Christians from the British Isles were the main threat to our 'culture' only a couple of decades ago. Not only that but Chrisitan terrorists of one sect or another, were the main security threat too. How short some memories are...

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How convenient.

How did Christianity and Judaism get here? What happened to our native, indigenous paganism? Why were nine million women killed by the Catholic Church?

Islam like Christianity and Judaism all stem from the same source - all are Semite Abrahamic religions from the same place. All are 'foreign'. Maybe Christianity came here first - doesn't make it less foreign.

As to immigrantion and multi-culturalism....

My kids are half-German. Are they inferior or a threat because of this? In school, there are classmates who are either fully or 'half' French, Italian, Polish, English, Bulgarian, American and Irish. Most of them are bilingual. Is this really a problem? Is this a threat to our 'native' pure culture/ race - whatever that may be?

What was the muslim popilation of the uk say in 1965?

And what is it now?

Do the same across Europe. How many are "converts",?

Islam is a cancer in our society.

Edited by Reynard

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The SNP are raving lunatics, end of.

This is irony? If not, Reynard will agree. He's full fruitloop though.

Quite a good Panorama last night I thought. Some Muslims themselves agreeing with me that the problem is actually Islam itself. Good to know that in spite of the buckled lefty fucks having got all bent out of shape over the past few days in here because I dared to challenge their shitty views of the world that we are gradually getting to the crux of the problem. And the crux of the problem is Islam itself and its complete incompatibility with the way we live in the West. Its just a pity we cant get to enjoy all that diversity from particular (growing according to Panorama) sections and that they want to kill us. But hey ho.

When Merkel came out and said that multiculturalism had failed in Germany she was right. And the problem has been Islam. Just as it has been a problem wherever it has gone.

Edited by HaikuHibee

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

Interesting.

Can anyone confirm whether Islam is the "real problem" behind all of our citizens that are scrounging off more succesful countries like Germany and Ireland?

Edited by SodjesSixteenIncher

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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/19/-sp-thousands-britons-claim-benefits-eu

Interesting.

Can anyone confirm whether Islam is the "real problem" behind all of our citizens that are scrounging off more succesful countries like Germany and Ireland?

In this context it seems odd to describe Ireland as "more successful" when it's unemployment rate is almost double the UK rate.

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