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I'm sure P&B's theology experts would have no problem telling the family of last week's murdered Muslim policeman that they aren't compatible with French life. No problem at all.

I don’t think anybody in P&B would say such a thing to the murdered policeman’s wife. However, the Koran says:

Women are inferior to men, and must be ruled by them: “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other” (Koran 4:34).

The Koran also likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “ Your women are a tilth for you to cultivate so go to your tilth as ye will” (2:223).

There are other similar verses. None of them of them compatible with French life or law, I would suspect.

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I don’t think anybody in P&B would say such a thing to the murdered policeman’s wife. However, the Koran says:

Women are inferior to men, and must be ruled by them: “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other” (Koran 4:34).

The Koran also likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “ Your women are a tilth for you to cultivate so go to your tilth as ye will” (2:223).

There are other similar verses. None of them of them compatible with French life or law, I would suspect.

Whereas the bible is a beacon of progressive thinking.

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I don’t think anybody in P&B would say such a thing to the murdered policeman’s wife. However, the Koran says:

Women are inferior to men, and must be ruled by them: “Men have authority over women because God has made the one superior to the other” (Koran 4:34).

The Koran also likens a woman to a field (tilth), to be used by a man as he wills: “ Your women are a tilth for you to cultivate so go to your tilth as ye will” (2:223).

There are other similar verses. None of them of them compatible with French life or law, I would suspect.

LIke the Bible is compatible with our lifestyle? You for real?

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I'm afraid Islam is more ambiguous than some other religions.

So that paradise would not be a bore for Muslims with different proclivities. Allah also promised his blessed that in paradise, "round about them will serve, devoted to them, young male servants handsome as pearls well-guarded" (Koran 52;24) "youths of perpetual freshness" (Koran 56;17)

A couple of Hadith, which are not the words of Allah but Muhammads own ramblings does condemn sodomy. However, there is a strange double-mindedness about homosexuality in Islam. The great Muslim poet Abu Nuwas glorified homosexuality in his notorious poem the Perfumed Garden:

O the joy of sodomy. So now be sodomites, you Arabs. Turn not away from it. - therein is wondrous pleasure. Take some coy lad with kiss-curls twisting on his temple and ride him as he stands like some gazelle standing to her mate - A lad whom all can see girt with sword and belt not like your whore who has to go veiled. Make for smooth-faced boys and do your very best to mount them, for women are the mounts of the devils.

This paradoxical attitude towards homosexuality runs through Islamic history.

Sunnyday's selective lessons on religious texts reminded me of this chestnut... over to you bible-boi...

Dear Dr. Laura/ Sunnyday,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… end of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.

  1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
  1. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
  1. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
  1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
  1. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
  1. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
  1. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
  1. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
  1. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
  1. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

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Nonsense - it's an integral part of human existence to mix with other cultures. Germany itself has always been multicultural and has accomodated different ethnic and linguistic groupings be it the Celts or Romans. The Slavic Sorbs of East Germany have survived as an 'island' in a sea of German for 1500 years despite different religious fads having come and gone.

Islam has a problem with extremists but then so does Christianity. It's not long since a right-wing Christian with views similar to Reynards massacred his fellow white, Judeo-Christian countryfolk in Norway. We have extremists in the US killing because of their faith. And, how TF can Reynard overlook the Sunni Christians and Shia Christians in Northern Ireland?

Multi-culturalism and learning from others is how we progress as a human race. Being scared of other cultures and railing against them is regression.

The Koran exhorts believers to fight unbelievers without specifying anywhere in the text that only certain unbelievers are to be fought, or only for a certain period of time, or some other distinction. Taking Koranic texts at face value, the command to make war against unbelievers is open ended and universal. The Old Testament, in contrast, records Gods commands to the Israelites to make war against particular people only. Hittites, Girgashites, Amorrites etc. So even the Bibles violent verses. (Numbers 31:17-18) (Deuteronomy 20:10 -17) ( Deuteronomy 7:1-2)

Or even absurdly ( Luke 19:26-27) Of course, the fallacy here is that these are the words of a king in a parable, not Jesus instructions to His followers. The Koran verses are the word of God revealed by the Arch Angel Gabriel to Muhammad. Or (Matthew 10:34-35). If this passage were really calling for any literal violence, it would seem to be intra-familial jihad, but to invoke it as the equivalent of the Koran jihad passages, which number over a hundred is absurd.

Then there is the *****mitude, a number of restriction that applied only to non Muslims, and the Jizya tax (Poll Tax to be paid only by all non Muslims). These remain part of Islamic law today.

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The Koran exhorts believers to fight unbelievers without specifying anywhere in the text that only certain unbelievers are to be fought, or only for a certain period of time, or some other distinction. Taking Koranic texts at face value, the command to make war against unbelievers is open ended and universal. The Old Testament, in contrast, records Gods commands to the Israelites to make war against particular people only. Hittites, Girgashites, Amorrites etc. So even the Bibles violent verses. (Numbers 31:17-18) (Deuteronomy 20:10 -17) ( Deuteronomy 7:1-2)

Or even absurdly ( Luke 19:26-27) Of course, the fallacy here is that these are the words of a king in a parable, not Jesus instructions to His followers. The Koran verses are the word of God revealed by the Arch Angel Gabriel to Muhammad. Or (Matthew 10:34-35). If this passage were really calling for any literal violence, it would seem to be intra-familial jihad, but to invoke it as the equivalent of the Koran jihad passages, which number over a hundred is absurd.

Then there is the *****mitude, a number of restriction that applied only to non Muslims, and the Jizya tax (Poll Tax to be paid only by all non Muslims). These remain part of Islamic law today.

Do you really beleive all this boolshit? And do you really think the slight differences in warmongering in the bible are much of a moral highground? Especially when a lot of the violence in the bible is meted out to 'errant' members of the tribe.

Hope you're keeping away from those menstruating women...

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Sunnyday's selective lessons on religious texts reminded me of this chestnut... over to you bible-boi...

Dear Dr. Laura/ Sunnyday,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God’s Law. I have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination… end of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God’s Laws and how to follow them.

  1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighbouring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
  1. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?
  1. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual unseemliness – Lev. 15: 19-24. The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
  1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord – Lev. 1:9. The problem is my neighbours. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
  1. I have a neighbour who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?
  1. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination – Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there ‘degrees’ of abomination?
  1. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?
  1. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?
  1. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
  1. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? Lev. 24:10-16. Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help.

Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

The book of Leviticus is from the Torah. These passages condemn homosexuality. I was pointing out the ambiguity to be found in the Koran. Please don't make the mistake of attributing the views I have quoted here as my own.

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Do you really beleive all this boolshit? And do you really think the slight differences in warmongering in the bible are much of a moral highground? Especially when a lot of the violence in the bible is meted out to 'errant' members of the tribe.

Hope you're keeping away from those menstruating women...

My point is that the Muslims who murder others around the world do believe the boolshit.

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My point is that the Muslims who murder others around the world do believe the boolshit.

Is there not a dedicated forum for debating the merits of different religions. Not really anything to do with either politics or immigration.

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Is there not a dedicated forum for debating the merits of different religions. Not really anything to do with either politics or immigration.

We've imported Islam via the immigration system.

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We've imported Islam via the immigration system.

If you want to go back even further, we also imported christianity. An argument on the beliefs of each religion is still not relevant to politics or immigration.

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If you want to go back even further, we also imported christianity. An argument on the beliefs of each religion is still not relevant to politics or immigration.

No lets just keep it to the past thirty of forty years.

We've imported Islam. And Islam is causing a problem because elements wont integrate which has led to the likes of Merkel admitting that the multicultural experiment has "utterly failed". Even muslims themselves admitted this on Panorama on Monday night.

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Is there not a dedicated forum for debating the merits of different religions. Not really anything to do with either politics or immigration.

I would have thought Mr Salmond's support for the Muslim faith would have something to do with SNP immigration policy.

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I would have thought Mr Salmond's support for the Muslim faith would have something to do with SNP immigration policy.

Why? Scotland isn't allowed to have an immigration policy.

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No lets just keep it to the past thirty of forty years.

We've imported Islam. And Islam is causing a problem because elements wont integrate which has led to the likes of Merkel admitting that the multicultural experiment has "utterly failed". Even muslims themselves admitted this on Panorama on Monday night.

er, there has been as Islamic community in Britian since the 18th century (thanks initially to the British East India Company); mosques in Britian since the late 19th century; and significant Muslim populations in London and Cardiff since the beginning of the twentieth century. The Cardiff Somali community is probably the oldest established Muslim community in the UK.

The idea that "we've imported Islam in the last thirty or forty years" is laughable bullshit. Much like everything else you've claimed on here. Even if you want to focus on the development of Islamic communities in the UK since 1945, the communities in West Yorkshire and Birmingham mushroomed in the late 50s and early 60s- fifty - sixty years ago, in case you hadn't noticed.

Further, the "Muslims" which you keep referring to from your programme do not back up your claims as you keep repeating.

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I would have thought Mr Salmond's support for the Muslim faith would have something to do with SNP immigration policy.

Was just about to post that it was a reserved matter but beaten to it Baxter Parp.

The proposed SNP Immigration policy was not based on religious beliefs so I still don't see the relevence. Additionally, it was the muslim vs christian argument that I was referring to.

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I didn't know we has so many Islamic scholars on here, I am impressed that so many of you have taken the time to read and study the Quaran in such detail that you are able to accurately quote and explain the text....

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