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Depends how other club's systems work I suppose but there would be an awful lot more work in including season ticket holders who didn't attend for us. They don't use separate entry gates so we'd need to know how many of those who did attend on a matchday were season ticket holders in order to add in those who have one but didn't attend to the total. There's no practical way we could work that out by the way we do it during the time frame of the match.

I guess if you either use barcoding and computerised entry, or simply have separate entry gates for season ticket holders then it could be done easily enough though.

If Queens genuinely don't know how many people paid on the day they must have a lot of trust their turnstile people

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The reasoning I heard from another (English) club was similar but opposite. They always knew how many tickets they'd sold but to work out how many season ticket holders hadn't attended they'd have had to count all the vouchers which wasn't worth the hassle.

(ETA: therefore their announced figures were for tickets sold - including season tickets - regardless of actual attendance.)

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If Queens genuinely don't know how many people paid on the day they must have a lot of trust their turnstile people

We dont take cash at the turnstiles. All matches are all ticket and tickets are sold from ticket offices outside. Until the turnstile tickets are counted back in though we dont know how many are matchday tickets and how many are season tickets. We do reconcile it all back but that isnt done during the match. The announced attendance is simply the readings for entry at each turnstile.
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Now that we are half way through the season it is worth a look at how armageddon is coming along. Average home attendances compared to last season:

Rangers-------------------------32376 -10281

Hearts--------------------------15962 +1776

Hibs-----------------------------10596 -421

Falkirk---------------------------4084 +970

Queen of the South-------------2808 +1084

Raith Rovers--------------------2748 +1089

Livingston-----------------------2630 +1473

Cowdenbeath-------------------1646 +1023

Alloa-----------------------------1448 +572

Dumbarton----------------------1095 +157

TOTAL----------------------------7538 +5743

How does our average compare with the folk upstairs?

So far this season:

Celtic (10)..........................43,265

Aberdeen (9)......................12,438

Dundee United (9)................8,149

Dundee (9)...........................7,596

St Johnstone (9)...................4,658

Motherwell (9)......................4,485

Kilmarnock (9)......................4,098

St Mirren (9).........................3,946

Inverness (9)........................3,508

Ross County (8 )...................3,442

Partick Thistle (9)..................3,386

Hamilton (8 )........................2,533

Total: 950,823

Average: 8,886

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Do you not think the club should have ringfenced the extra income from this season for that purpose?

What will it be spent on instead.

We are popping down to IKEA in the morning to pick up a new flat pack stadium in the sales of course.

I'm thinking the money is being spent on paying wages and bills. I know that might be a strange concept to grasp for you.

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Celtic and rangers crowds well fown so overall less people in Scotland go to games which can't be a good thing. 8 teams in the top league get 2-3000 home fans which is embarrassing.

Per head. The Scottish leagues are one of the best supported in the world.

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Per head. The Scottish leagues are one of the best supported in the world.

It would look even better supported if we let Celtic and Rangers announce everyone's crowds.

It seems everyone who passes the stadium whilst a game is on is included in the attendance.

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In reality, the collapse of the Old Firm's support is considerably more than what is actually reported.

It's probably to a mixture of money laundering, and giving the impression to the outside world that they are a bigger club than they actually are. Which allows them to spend money they don't have in order to field an artificially strong team; sell more merchandise and reel in future investors. I know in the past in the days the terraces. Crowds were under reported for tax purposes.

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Per head. The Scottish leagues are one of the best supported in the world.

A good point, well made. Infact depending on your method of measurement we are either best, second best or third best in Europe (vying with Iceland and Cyprus)... which might well mean in the whole globe.

And before anyone starts - that would be the same even if (for some reason) you omitted OF.

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