Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 The Tudor dynasty or House of Tudor was a royal house of Welsh origin Yes we know the Tudors originated in Wales and the current incumbents originated in Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 No that Jim Murphy you're talking about - he's a patriot by the way! Which is different from nationalism. duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Which is different from nationalism. duh I was just letting you know in case you hadn't heard he's a patriot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I was just letting you know in case you hadn't heard he's a patriot. I'm not really as fixated on Murphy as Scottish nationalists seem to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 I'm not really as fixated on Murphy as Scottish nationalists seem to be. That's why I mentioned it to you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 (1) Yes we know the Tudors originated in Wales and the (2) current incumbents originated in Germany (1) So they weren't English then (2) How far back are you going? Is this similar to Celtic fans saying they are Irish because their great great grandfather was born in Mayo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 That's why I mentioned it to you I already knew. Patriotism and nationalism are different. Patriotism is fine with me, nationalism can get to f**k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 (1) So they weren't English then (2) How far back are you going? Is this similar to Celtic fans saying they are Irish because their great great grandfather was born in Mayo? 1. So if we go by your criteria the present Queen and all her family are German? 2. I'm going as far back as the "Tudor Period" 1485 and 1603. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 1. So if we go by your criteria the present Queen and all her family are German? 2. I'm going as far back as the "Tudor Period" 1485 and 1603. 1/ The first Tudor king was Welsh. James V1 became King of England, did he then become English? 2/ That would make them Welsh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaikuHibee Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 1/ The first Tudor king was Welsh. James V1 became King of England, did he then become English? 2/ That would make them Welsh He's a figurehead. It's an aristocracy. They're important here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 1/ The first Tudor king was Welsh. James V1 became King of England, did he then become English? 2/ That would make them Welsh James VI became James I of Great Britain & Ireland. Born in Scotland how could he "become English"? Not all Tudor kings were born in Wales. Henry VIII was born in England for instance. And it's totally irrelevant if they were born in England or Wales, they were Kings of England Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Maybe our place is at the back of the bus Standing in front of it just before it arrives at 70mph would probably be the best place for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 The above is just a load of guff to be honest and I can only assume you are trolling. Why did they remake the Office for an American audience? Are they anti-English? The Americans seems to want programmes which suit their audience, why can't we have the same? And as I've explained before, I'm talking about the majority of English based programmes we watch in Scotland. There have been some good English programmes over the years, but we need more programmes that cater for a Scottish audience OK. I'm game, maybe I'll get an answer. In what way do the programs you mention not cater for a Scottish audience? Be very specific. Is it because they are not made in Scotland? (well that rules out all the foreign stuff as well) Is it because they do not include Scottish characters? (see above) Or is it just because you think they are pish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 James VI became James I of Great Britain & Ireland. Born in Scotland how could he "become English"? Not all Tudor kings were born in Wales. Henry VIII was born in England for instance. And it's totally irrelevant if they were born in England or Wales, they were Kings of England The Tudors were Welsh. Henty V11 was born in Wales for instance. According to you they became English on acceding to/seizing the English throne. See post *368. James V1 became King of England in 1603. Does he then become irrelevant to Scots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 I didn't have to trawl through TV. It was on BBC2 all night! That's my fucking point! So only 1 channel, I see. :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 The Tudors were Welsh. Henty V11 was born in Wales for instance. According to you they became English on acceding to/seizing the English throne. See post *368. James V1 became King of England in 1603. Does he then become irrelevant to Scots? Up to 1603 it's all pretty much irrelevant to Scotland, no matter where they were born. James VI still remained King of Scots so yes he was still relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 OK. I'm game, maybe I'll get an answer. In what way do the programs you mention not cater for a Scottish audience? Be very specific. Is it because they are not made in Scotland? (well that rules out all the foreign stuff as well) Is it because they do not include Scottish characters? (see above) Or is it just because you think they are pish? Would a night devoted to the French monarchy cater for a Scottish audience? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 So only 1 channel, I see. :-) Ah right, that's okay then eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 11, 2015 Author Share Posted January 11, 2015 Standing in front of it just before it arrives at 70mph would probably be the best place for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted January 11, 2015 Share Posted January 11, 2015 Up to 1603 it's all pretty much irrelevant to Scotland, no matter where they were born. James VI still remained King of Scots so yes he was still relevant So whenever James V1 acquired another kingdom, everything prior to his acceding of that throne had no relevance to subsequent events/history? When exactly is the cut off point for "relevancy"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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