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Russell brand came across as an absolute p***k to be honest. Way, way out of his depth.

He actually made the odious Farage seem like a reasonable guy.

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Farage and brand are cut from the same cloth politics wise, whipping up extremist views to fill a perceived gap in the political landscape.

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Don't like Brand much but at least he aint dangerous. Didn't watch the circus last night but saw this quote which hit the nail on the head.

"(Farage’s) mates in the city farted, and he’s pointing at immigrants and and holding his nose," Brand said.

Farage is as much a 'rebel' as Prince Philip. Mind you, he is an immigrant.

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I don't really mind Brand but he is out of his depths in these situations. If he's going to be this big political/campaigning figure that he's trying to be, he needs to put the work in and be prepared with the facts to take on people like Farage.

It's not that hard to do, Brand is right that everyone turning the blame on immigrants and the poor is idiotic. There's millions of ways to factually demonstrate that rather than philosophising about it. What he's actually trying to say is stuff that deep down most people know to be true, but when you present it in a really weaksauce way, it doesn't convince people.

"Pound shop Enoch Powell" was quite good though :lol:

Farage and brand are cut from the same cloth politics wise, whipping up extremist views to fill a perceived gap in the political landscape.

"extremist" :lol: Don't talk shite.

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The problem for Brand is that he comes across like any member of the public would when put on QT ie. overly emotional and a bit panicky. The rest of the panel have experience in this kind of situation so come across better. Usually when a non-politician go on they get more leeway than the politicians but I think because he's been putting himself about politically he wasn't given that. Maybe he gets better with practice, idk. Huge fan of Camilla Cavendish talking up the meritocracy of the City while railing against immigrants though.

Also, the public in Canterbury are fucking morons.

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Farage used stats, brand used anecdotes. Doesn't mean brand couldn't do it, he just thought he could get away with mentioning firemen he knew. Its quite often the same with the fifth panel member on qt. Clarke Carlisle comes to mind

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Watched it on iPlayer this morning. It was a complete car crash. The irony of the first question was that it talked about the petty adversarial nature of politics, yet it was the two panelists who position themselves outside the political elite who where the most adversary and petty. Brand and Farage did the same thing that most who position themselves as anti-establishment and anti-politics do, they look for people to blame. Brand decided to blame everything on a shadowy elite of bankers, whilst Farage decided to blame everything on immigrants.

Is the audience getting worse on Question Time?

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When did Farage "blame everything on immigrants" last night? :lol:

At times peoples hatred of Nigel Farage really does cloud their judgment on the content of the debate. It's also pretty unsettling seeing people talk about "the simpletons" as if these aren't regular members of society, stupidity isn't often the fault of the "simpleton" more so a product of their enviroment and poor education system. Why hate that people have genuine concerns, even if some may be developed from misguidance, don't let the semantics over-shadow the intent. People don't "blame everything on immigrants" because of a burning desire to come across as racist. It reminds me of the whole benefit porn culture, we have the richest people in society turning the poorest against each other. We also get the "intellectuals" like Rico and Mr Romanov desperate to elevate themselves whilst trampling on others to come first in a rigged game. It's like sprinting past a wheelchair user then boasting how fast you are.

A lot of people in this thread coming across like Adrian Mole.

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Fannies on here debating ukio. Scotland is so past this sh1te

Who are our MEPs?

Can you give me a list?

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Farage had a whole speech about how the immigrants were coming here and taking up school places, clogging up GP Surgery waiting rooms, and how they were causing an incredible strain on the infrastructure of the UK (read: the London Underground). He might not have blamed "everything" on the immigrants but he was, and is, happy enough to blame immigration for many things.

Unfortunately for Nigel "I'm just a ruddy bloke" Farage, the benefits of EU migrants outweigh the costs. This is a proven fact, no matter how much feet-stamping and arm-waving he wants to do.

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When did Farage "blame everything on immigrants" last night? :lol:

At times peoples hatred of Nigel Farage really does cloud their judgment on the content of the debate. It's also pretty unsettling seeing people talk about "the simpletons" as if these aren't regular members of society, stupidity isn't often the fault of the "simpleton" more so a product of their enviroment and poor education system. Why hate that people have genuine concerns, even if some may be developed from misguidance, don't let the semantics over-shadow the intent. People don't "blame everything on immigrants" because of a burning desire to come across as racist. It reminds me of the whole benefit porn culture, we have the richest people in society turning the poorest against each other. We also get the "intellectuals" like Rico and Mr Romanov desperate to elevate themselves whilst trampling on others to come first in a rigged game. It's like sprinting past a wheelchair user then boasting how fast you are.

A lot of people in this thread coming across like Adrian Mole.

His response to the 'overcrowding' question. Did you seriously miss that?

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His response to the 'overcrowding' question. Did you seriously miss that?

No i watched it. I recall him discussing the topic of immigration and believing that Britain is overcrowded (as a certain percentage of the populace certainly also seem to think so, hence the question), then relaying some specific points he believed immigration to play a big hand in.

Perfectly valid opinions to hold.

You may disagree but he certainly wasn't "blaming everything on immigrants", although it's certainly easier to say that than discuss the topics at hand.

It's strange that we can't mention negative impacts of immigration. One lady on the show last night suggested vetting and more stringent checks being put in place. She was heckled as being racist. One of her concerns was about criminals being allowed to join our society and interact with our children and such, this is somehow perceived as the concerned ("simpleton") lady being a racist.

Immigration isn't perfect, it's not a bad thing but why can't we constructivley critisize it anymore without being accused of being "racist", "a simpleton" etc..

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Farage had a whole speech about how the immigrants were coming here and taking up school places, clogging up GP Surgery waiting rooms, and how they were causing an incredible strain on the infrastructure of the UK (read: the London Underground). He might not have blamed "everything" on the immigrants but he was, and is, happy enough to blame immigration for many things.

Unfortunately for Nigel "I'm just a ruddy bloke" Farage, the benefits of EU migrants outweigh the costs. This is a proven fact, no matter how much feet-stamping and arm-waving he wants to do.

Immigration plays a part in all of the above, Farage didn't have a whole speech blaming these things on immigration. He answered a question from the audience about overcrowding and mentioned factors, not sole reasons why he holds such an opinion.

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No i watched it. I recall him discussing the topic of immigration and believing that Britain is overcrowded (as a certain percentage of the populace certainly also seem to think so, hence the question), then relaying some specific points he believed immigration to play a big hand in.

Perfectly valid opinions to hold.

You may disagree but he certainly wasn't "blaming everything on immigrants", although it's certainly easier to say that than discuss the topics at hand.

It's strange that we can't mention negative impacts of immigration. One lady on the show last night suggested vetting and more stringent checks being put in place. She was heckled as being racist. One of her concerns was about criminals being allowed to join our society and interact with our children and such, this is somehow perceived as the concerned ("simpleton") lady being a racist.

Immigration isn't perfect, it's not a bad thing but why can't we constructivley critisize it anymore without being accused of being "racist", "a simpleton" etc..

I'm not saying you can't. I am saying that Farage reverted to stereotype and went on a rant trying to blame immigration for problems that have a lot more to do with staffing shortages and cuts. He did that in much the same way that Brand constantly implied there was an elite who politicians are really working for, and they are to blame for our problems. It's clear that Farage was trying to demonise immigration and blame it for problems that weren't mentioned in the question. I'm not questioning his right to do so, nor accusing him or being racist, but he did blame immigrants for problems, without any evidence or explanation as to how immigration is to blame, which seems to be his default position.

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Don't like Brand much but at least he aint dangerous.

That remains to be seen.

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I'm not saying you can't. I am saying that Farage reverted to stereotype and went on a rant trying to blame immigration for problems that have a lot more to do with staffing shortages and cuts. He did that in much the same way that Brand constantly implied there was an elite who politicians are really working for, and they are to blame for our problems. It's clear that Farage was trying to demonise immigration and blame it for problems that weren't mentioned in the question. I'm not questioning his right to do so, nor accusing him or being racist, but he did blame immigrants for problems, without any evidence or explanation as to how immigration is to blame, which seems to be his default position.

Good post, yeah my previous post was more of a rant, not specifically aimed at yourself.

I wouldn't say it was clear Farage was demonising immigration though, we can respectfully disagree. He was asked a question specifically regarding overcrowding, he'd have had to be pretty impressive to not factor in immigration which clearly is a hot topic and as a politician on Question Time it should be getting discussed.

My objection came when someone posted that he blamed everything on immigrant which is just seeing what you want to see, yes he did partly blame immigration for problems, maybe some tenous but as you say he's within his rights to believe so. I would also point out that Question Time is quite fast paced and he wasn't given any time to elaborate on the specifics on why he believes immigration to factor into the mentioned problems. As in i'm sure Farage could perfectly explain why he believes immigration has effected school places but there wasn't really the chance offered last night. The lack of explanation probably suits Farage anyway :lol:

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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30441293

At the end of this clip a woman in the audience shouts "I'm coming for you Farage, don't you worry" - really? If someone were to say this on the BBC to any other politician, would it not be construed as a threat? Given people have been jailed for making threats on social media, is this just being laughed off because it was a woman threatening a man? What if someone threatened a female panellist live on the BBC?

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