effeffsee_the2nd Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 its all about an extended winter break. keep the xmas and new year games then have 5 or 6 weeks off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdTheDuck Posted June 10, 2015 Author Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'd quite like the HFL to play summer fitba, preferably twice a week; that way I can watch football all year long, every year and drink my liver in to submission in a shorter timeframe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 For me it's pre-Christmas December that's the problem. Christmas shopping is takes up time and money and the weather is usually miserable. I like football in January. I mean, what is there to do without football in January? It would be horribly depressing. Take the first 3 weekends in December off (the first of which should be used for the League Cup final) and return with the festive games and then the first full round of the Scottish Cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawfieldAggro Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 In short, they are the kind of kids who need to be dragged outside, kicking and screaming. I want them to go to football to enjoy watching it, not to force them to go in the cold and hope that magically they will like it. Tbh, this situation is not football's problem. The game cannot continue to gamble on speculative and selective admirers who may or may not be bothered attending games if it suits them or not. Chopping and changing the season in the hope of a nice family day out becoming a regular fixture, particularly when its likely said family will f**k off on holiday during it anyway, is on a hiding to nothing. Its the product which will be eventually of interest, or bore them completely. Getting weans oot the hoose is murder, i agree.......but you can't hold football being shite, cold and disspiriting as f**k responsible for that!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidAl Posted June 13, 2015 Share Posted June 13, 2015 People - including the supporters organisation quoted in the BBC article - are talking about a season running from March to November. If you place the current competitions into a calendar it runs from about mid-January to mid-December (unless you'd start playing across international breaks and finals tournaments - which would seem unthinkable given a good number of internationalists play here and the increased likelihood of Scotland qualifying for the Euros in particular going forward), and incidentally you sacrifice the Christmas and New Year games which tend to be some of the best-attended... Starting in July and having a break in January achieves all the realistic benefits, without most of the downsides of 'summer' format. I think that has to be the starting point. Regan was saying the same, talking about a simple move to a decent mid-season break with our existing league set-up rather than the total overhaul of the league structure and fixtures calendar that Doncaster was talking about being necessary to achieve the other version of throughout-summer football. Although there aren't any league games for about 8 or 9 weeks in June or July, you're talking about our European qualifiers having less than a month off each year at the moment with pre-season before UEFA qualifiers in early July, and also with our international players active until mid-June. It makes more sense to have the league season running closer to the UEFA calendar - i.e. playing into early June, then four weeks off (for major tournaments; for a rest) and starting again from mid-July - to give about a month more of summer football than we have at present, then using the month saved from playing in the summer to give everyone a proper break in January (e.g. 3 weeks actually off, plus 10 days of a pre-season) when nothing's happening UEFA-wise. That way, it's just a small, undramatic change to what we have now (initially, at least) rather than any drastic change that'll cause much grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 Summer Football, sounds good to me, bring it on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawfieldAggro Posted June 14, 2015 Share Posted June 14, 2015 If as it appears we are heading for a Uefa-led seismic shift to two equally-long half-seasons, with a break of similar length to the close season, then i don't envisage much real difference. The talk however has been of completely uprooting the whole structure, with some fucking mental suggestion of when the break should be. This season is, i suspect, the longest one since 2001/2, when all divisions had a July kickoff, the season ended the 12th of May and the World Cup began on the 31st. That there is no competition this summer involvng anyone in Uefa has made this year feel like its never ending....perhaps this was in mind with the CL final in June and the PL starting back on the 8th of August. I can see the merit for countries like ourselves to start early, with the preliminaries in mind a lot more than the shit weather.....which seems to be part of the agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 Just noticed Stewart Gilmour bleating on about a two month winter break and a 16 team top flight. Apparently it's too cold for kids and the elderly in winter and it would be easier for other clubs to win a league of 16. He seems to think Rangers are challenging for the top flight as all - he must've missed the catastrophe when Rangers were admitted to the bottom tier and several clubs went out of business. Oh wait... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BFTD Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 I must admit, I quite like the idea of squeezing in two seasons a year, with the whole teams-only-playing-each-other-twice thing. The cups would probably need to run over the course of two seasons to fit everything in, but that's not really too big a deal, is it? Even without summer football, are there big problems there that I'm missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibeeJibee Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If you had 10-team Premiership you could play Apertura & Clausura seasons of 18 games each, then playoffs if desired. I'd be very surprised if enough clubs wanted to add 4 clubs, drop from 38 games to 30, lose Christmas/New Year games, and stop income for 2 months mid-season. Easy to say now St Mirren are down. Didn't Gilmore predict 5 clubs entering administration post-"Armageddon", btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If you had 10-team Premiership you could play Apertura & Clausura seasons of 18 games each, then playoffs if desired. I'd be very surprised if enough clubs wanted to add 4 clubs, drop from 38 games to 30, lose Christmas/New Year games, and stop income for 2 months mid-season. Easy to say now St Mirren are down. Didn't Gilmore predict 5 clubs entering administration post-"Armageddon", btw? Yeah, that's what I was referencing above. He seems to say a few things without any real basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RabidAl Posted June 16, 2015 Share Posted June 16, 2015 If as it appears we are heading for a Uefa-led seismic shift to two equally-long half-seasons, with a break of similar length to the close season, then i don't envisage much real difference. The talk however has been of completely uprooting the whole structure, with some fucking mental suggestion of when the break should be. This season is, i suspect, the longest one since 2001/2, when all divisions had a July kickoff, the season ended the 12th of May and the World Cup began on the 31st. That there is no competition this summer involvng anyone in Uefa has made this year feel like its never ending....perhaps this was in mind with the CL final in June and the PL starting back on the 8th of August. I can see the merit for countries like ourselves to start early, with the preliminaries in mind a lot more than the shit weather.....which seems to be part of the agenda. Ideally, we'd just be swapping July and January about - football in July warmth, off in cold January. So starting the league on the second weekend in July, finishing up on New Year's day, then starting up again for the Scottish Cup 4th round on the first weekend in Feb, and in good time for European knock-out stages, with the season ending pretty much as now. Had a look at Doncaster's claims that we'd have to re-structure - it doesn't seem to be necessary regardless of which type of summer football they're looking at. Provided they tidy up the play-offs and we're willing to accept about 5 or 6 mid-week league games per season, summer and winter breaks of 8+ weeks are achievable. I always feel like the season's never-ending! It's great to begin with, festive period's great, leading up to the play-offs then the play-offs too, but the rest drags on and on. I'd love shorter seasons (two per year), but I've said more than enough about that already. Potential all-through-summer football calendars: 2015 League / UEFA / Cup Fixtures January Sat 3 - Week (1) Winter break Wed 7 - Sat 10 - (2) Wed 14 - Sat 17 - (3) Wed 21 - Sat 24 - (4) Wed 28 - Sat 31 - (5) February Wed 4 - Sat 7 LG1 Season begins Wed 11 LCR1 Sat 14 LG2 SCPR Wed 18 CL16 Sat 21 LG3 Wed 25 CL16 Sat 28 LG4 SCR1 March Wed 4 LCR2 Sat 7 LG5 Wed 11 CL16 Sat 14 LG6 SCR2 Wed 18 CL16 Sat 21 LG7 LCR3 Wed 25 INT Sat 28 INT CCR1 April Wed 1 INT Sat 4 LG8 Wed 8 - Sat 11 LG9 LCQF Wed 15 CLQF Sat 18 LG10 Wed 22 CLQF Sat 25 LG11 SCR3 Wed 29 May Sat 2 LG12 LCSF Wed 6 CLSF Sat 9 LG13 CCR2 Wed 13 CLSF Sat 16 LG14 Wed 20 - Sat 23 LG15 League Cup Final Wed 27 - Sat 30 SCR4 (1) Summer break June Wed 3 - Sat 6 (2) CLF (2) Wed 10 INT Sat 13 (3) INT (3) Wed 17 INT Sat 20 LG16 Season resumes Wed 24 - Sat 27 SCR5 July Wed 1 CLP1 Sat 4 LG17 Wed 8 CLP1 Sat 11 LG18 Wed 15 CLP2 Sat 18 LG19 Wed 22 CLP2 Sat 25 LG20 SCQF Wed 29 CLP3 August Sat 1 LG21 Wed 5 CLP3 Sat 8 LG22 Wed 12 - Sat 15 LG23 Wed 19 CLPO Sat 22 LG24 Wed 26 CLPO Sat 29 LG25 SCSF September Wed 2 INT Sat 5 INT CCQF Wed 9 INT Sat 12 LG26 Wed 16 CLG1 Sat 19 LG27 Wed 23 - Sat 26 LG28 Scottish Cup Final Wed 30 CLG2 October Sat 3 LG29 Wed 7 INT Sat 10 INT CCSF Wed 14 INT Sat 17 LG30 Wed 21 CLG3 Sat 24 LG31 Wed 28 - Sat 31 LG32 November Wed 4 CLG4 Sat 7 LG33 League splits Wed 11 INT Sat 14 INT Challenge Cup Final Wed 18 INT Sat 21 LG34 Wed 25 CLG5 Sat 28 LG35 December Wed 2 - Sat 5 LG36 Wed 9 CLG6 Sat 12 LG37 Wed 16 - Sat 19 LG38 End of League Wed 23 - Sat 26 POSF Tue 29 POSF 2016 League / UEFA / Cup Fixtures January Fri 1 Play-Off Finals / Week (1) of Winter break Wed 6 - Sat 9 - (2) Wed 13 - Sat 16 - (3) Wed 20 - Sat 23 - (4) Wed 27 - Sat 30 - (5) February Wed 3 - Sat 6 LG1 Season begins Wed 10 LCR1 Sat 13 LG2 SCPR Wed 17 CL16 Sat 20 LG3 Wed 24 CL16 Sat 27 LG4 SCR1 March Wed 2 LCR2 Sat 5 LG5 Wed 9 CL16 Sat 12 LG6 SCR2 Wed 16 CL16 Sat 19 LG7 LCR3 Wed 23 INT Sat 26 INT CCR1 Wed 29 INT April Sat 2 LG8 Wed 6 CLQF Sat 9 LG9 LCQF Wed 13 CLQF Sat 16 LG10 Wed 20 - Sat 23 LG11 SCR3 Wed 27 CLSF Sat 30 LG12 LCSF May Wed 4 CLSF Sat 7 LG13 CCR2 Wed 11 - Sat 14 LG14 Wed 18 LG15 Sat 21 LG16 League Cup Final Wed 25 - Sat 28 SCR4 CLF (1) Summer break June Wed 1 INT Sat 4 (2) INT (2) Wed 8 INT Sat 11 (3) EURO 2016 (3) Wed 15 EURO 2016 Sat 18 (4) EURO 2016 (4) Wed 22 EURO 2016 Sat 25 (5) EURO 2016 (5) Wed 29 EURO 2016 CLP1 July Sat 2 SCR5 EURO 2016 Season resumes Wed 6 EURO 2016 CLP1 Sat 9 LG17 EURO 2016 Wed 13 CLP2 Sat 16 LG18 Wed 20 CLP2 Sat 23 LG19 Wed 27 CLP3 Sat 30 LG20 SCQF August Wed 3 CLP3 Sat 6 LG21 Wed 10 LG22 Sat 13 LG23 Wed 17 CLPO Sat 20 LG24 Wed 24 CLPO Sat 27 LG25 SCSF Wed 31 INT September Sat 3 INT CCQF Wed 7 INT Sat 10 LG26 Wed 14 CLG1 Sat 17 LG27 Wed 21 - Sat 24 LG28 Scottish Cup Final Wed 28 CLG2 October Sat 1 LG29 Wed 5 INT Sat 8 INT CCSF Wed 12 INT Sat 15 LG30 Wed 19 CLG3 Sat 22 LG31 Wed 26 - Sat 29 LG32 November Wed 2 CLG4 Sat 5 LG33 League splits Wed 9 INT Sat 12 INT Challenge Cup Final Wed 16 INT Sat 19 LG34 Wed 23 CLG5 Sat 26 LG35 Wed 30 - December Sat 3 LG36 Wed 7 CLG6 Sat 10 LG37 Wed 14 - Sat 17 LG38 End of League Wed 21 - Sat 24 POSF Wed 28 POSF Sat 31 POF Play-Off Finals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 So if we have a summer season due to UEFA dates the next available day is Wednesday 12th of August. (For the top level) I am sure that most people who are pro summer football think we are going to play mid week games all summer long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 25, 2015 Share Posted June 25, 2015 Something that really sticks when looking for the dates for a summer season: how do you finish a season if there is a frosty December? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlbionMan Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 So if we have a summer season due to UEFA dates the next available day is Wednesday 12th of August. (For the top level) I am sure that most people who are pro summer football think we are going to play mid week games all summer long. Alternatively, SPFL could reduce the number of games by increasing league size in tiers 1 and 2 with teams playing each other once in the expanded leagues. 16 16 10 would free up 8 match days in tier 1, and 6 in tier 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonTon Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 So if we have a summer season due to UEFA dates the next available day is Wednesday 12th of August. (For the top level) I am sure that most people who are pro summer football think we are going to play mid week games all summer long. I assume top level games would be broadcast on TV over Fri-Sat-Sun-Mon. With lower leagues having more scope for midweek games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 Alternatively, SPFL could reduce the number of games by increasing league size in tiers 1 and 2 with teams playing each other once in the expanded leagues. 16 16 10 would free up 8 match days in tier 1, and 6 in tier 2. That would work but all the clubs who are dependant on gate money would need to reduce their costs by 16 to 20% to reflect the reduced gate money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 I assume top level games would be broadcast on TV over Fri-Sat-Sun-Mon. With lower leagues having more scope for midweek games. That's how I would see it working, the fixtures of those in Europe in the summer months would be known so with careful planning those in the Europa league could play each other on a Sunday with the champions league team or teams if we are being optimistic playing on a Friday or Saturday if they are on a Tuesday schedule. There is certainly nothing in the rules to prevent the lower leagues from playing as many games as they want in the summer or on UEFA dates. The championship in England use the majority of these as they play so many games in an August to first week in May season. Sometimes this seems madness but when its just a qualifier I cannot see any TV coverage of any sort effecting the attendance at a lower league game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DA Baracus Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 A single change, like 'summer football, terracing or selling beer at the ground won't work by itself. There needs to be lots of changes all at the same time for a sustained period. The most important change needed is the attitude towards football fans from the authorities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted June 26, 2015 Share Posted June 26, 2015 That would work but all the clubs who are dependant on gate money would need to reduce their costs by 16 to 20% to reflect the reduced gate money. We hear this one alot but its only a reduction of 3 home games for 2nd teir and 4 for top tier. Chuck in group stage league cups and youre more or less as you were. Fair enough if youre a smaller team you get less games against the big teams but you also only have to play the shite teams twice aswell. Ive said plenty times already. In the 36 and 38 game seasons. Some smaller clubs when playing each other at alteres KO times are so poorly attended that by the time theyv paid all their costs. Players stewards lights ubdersoil heating police etet the clubs have lost money putting the fixture on. In a 30 game season, should a game be called of and rescheduled. youd have a couple free saturdays to do replays when other teams are in the cup. Rather than midweek. I know that no system is perfect. That said i dont think the current set up is doing much good in the long term. Its had its day. Its repetetive and a right long drawn out affair Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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