I'm Brian Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Don't particularly agree with that, for all that's wrong this place. If they would have a great chance of holding their deposit here then how come they haven't found a candidate to stand for them? It makes Coburns, "we'll stand in every Scottish seat" chat look pretty embarrassing now though. Wonder where else they're not standing. They'll be tears and snotters from the Sevco-lite crew up here though, having no bigoted option to vote for. Complete list of candidates in Scotland. Couple of things very noticeable. Very few BNP/NF candidates. Finally getting rid of them or just that they now inhabit the ranks of UKIP? Also the Cannabis is safer than Alcohol party seem to have a party machine behind them with quite a few candidates. Edit, sorry forgot the bloody link http://news.stv.tv/scotland-decides/316781-full-list-of-candidates-in-scotland-for-the-uk-parliamentary-election/ Edited April 11, 2015 by I'm Brian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Complete list of candidates in Scotland. Couple of things very noticeable. Very few BNP/NF candidates. Finally getting rid of them or just that they now inhabit the ranks of UKIP? Also the Cannabis is safer than Alcohol party seem to have a party machine behind them with quite a few candidates. I saw a tweet that said compared to around 300 seats in 2010, the BNP are only standing in 8 UK-wide this time around. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 (edited) Couple of things very noticeable. Very few BNP/NF candidates. Finally getting rid of them or just that they now inhabit the ranks of UKIP? NF down to seven (claiming they could have stood more were it not for their latest split, but that's bullshit), BNP down to eight. Mutters of "alliances", but in reality both have finally been crushed beyond all repair, and if the continuing Social Democratic Party beat the NF in Hull East (where Mikey Cooper has been a well known local oddball for the NF/ND/BNP "cause" for decades) I don't see them surviving the humiliation. Time to say "I told you so" about UKIP doing in four years what Searchlight, the ANL & their ilk failed to do in forty years? Mind you, they had good financial reasons to keep the BNP & NF alive, but that's another story... UKIP was always essentially a party of the Home Counties and Channel shires - traditional middle class Tory & Eurosceptic liberal territory. The BNP's main strength was in the north, and all of the far right enjoyed permanent sustained interest in the Black Country and within London. But above all, it was with white blue collar & low income white collar workers. For UKIP to break into the big time, they needed to nick support from somewhere - and there was a big reserve of latent far-right voters waiting to be hoovered up as the far right did what the far right always does best: ie. indulge in party squabbling the moment they taste the smallest modicum of success. By pushing the immigration issue to the fore & stating it in a manner likely to get support from descendents from Commonwealth communities - ie. points system & an end to favouritising those from the EU - UKIP massively trumped the BNP's own stance of stopping all current immigration & offering cash inducements for existing immigrants or anyone non-white to leave (which in itself was a massive softening down of thirty years worth of "if they're black, send them back" bonehead rhetoric). For those white people who had given the BNP their vote out of frustration but against their better judgement, now they'd a valid alternative. But also at a stroke, UKIP appealed to those of the Afro-Carribean (which is far more "old Tory" in attitude than is often given credence) and South Asian communities seeing friends or relations denied the opportunity to come to work here because EU citizens took precedence. Plenty will have saw black and Asian candidates in UKIP (indeed, Rusty Lee was one of UKIP's earliest candidates) but still been wary, now they had all the proof they wanted that UKIP saw them as friends rather than racial undesireables like the so-called "racial nationalists" of the NF/BNP. They also knew every UKIP candidate beating a far right candidate crushed their desire to continue locally, knowing they'd had their one & only issue of any electoral value whipped out from right under them & couldn't get it back. There is also a small "revenge" element amongst those Afro-Carribeans and South Asians who feel they've been patronised and treated as "noble savages" by Labour, the Tories and the LibDems happy to play footsie with racism when it suits them over the decades to appeal to Alf Garnett types in marginals. It's no coincidence that UKIP's first breakthroughs occured in the East Midlands - an area of the country of diminishing returns for the far-right by contrast as the non-white population increased - when many Asian run small to medium enterprises (which ought to have benefitted from the EU) suffered badly from Labour & Tory governments giving favoured status to multi national big businesses at their expense, often employing EU migrants on minimum wage and enforced overtime at normal time rates to drive down costs. Quite simply UKIP capitalised on two large groups of people with nowhere left to go & promising them a return to a not-so-Good-Old-Days-but-better-than-this - and the more the three mainstream British parties cry "oh the humanity!" about them, the more attractive they appear. If mass fracking in the Weald becomes reality over the next five to ten years, it may well be the Greens turn to enjoy the fruits of successive governments thinking they have to vote either Labour or Tory because they've nowhere else to go on the environment. Most important of all, Farage runs his party with a rod of iron - anyone remotely iffy gets booted out without second chances or exceptions from expedience (see Alistair McConnachie and Mike Nattrass for details). It's a powerful message to the electorate he's trying to appeal to that they are not a safe haven for the sort of cranks often to be found (and encouraged tacitly) within the likes of the NF, BNP, etc. over the years. There's a long of hand wringing about UKIP's rise, some valid, some little more than airheads espousing fashionable rhetoric. But as someone who remembers only too well the sheer evil and poison people like John Tyndall, Colin Jordan, Richard Edmonds (sadly still around) and Martin Webster injected into the British body politic, seeking so-called "racial nationalism" being starved to death make UKIP a price well worth paying in the long run of making this country just a touch more civilised than it has been since the shameful days of Smethwick and Orpington. Edited April 11, 2015 by WaffenThinMint 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Excellent post wtm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Excellent post wtm Seconded 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Gaines Posted April 11, 2015 Share Posted April 11, 2015 Anyone who sides with WTM is a c**t. I want nothing to do with anything he says. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Nigel Farage is younger than Ian Brown, Mani and John Squire. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crùbag Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Ironically the one place where they would have a decent chance to hold their deposit Based on what? Your own predjudices? Farage is landowner class - not very popular amogst crofters, whatever their religion or none. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 The western isles is full of zoomers, look how well the christian party do there 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Another car crash interview from Coburn again http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/living-in-scotland-is-like-living-in-communist-czechoslovakia-welcome-to-.122954457 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sooky Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 Another car crash interview from Coburn again http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/politics/scottish-politics/living-in-scotland-is-like-living-in-communist-czechoslovakia-welcome-to-.122954457 He just stated on Twitter that if you want independence, you shouldn't vote SNP, but UKIP Scotland instead... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) He just stated on Twitter that if you want independence, you shouldn't vote SNP, but UKIP Scotland instead... It was just a dream I had, where they were registered campaigners against independence then. Edited April 12, 2015 by I'm Brian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoda Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 (edited) The western isles is full of zoomers, look how well the christian party do there How well? This is the first time that the Scottish Christian Party has stood in the Western Isles at a GE. Edit: Their predecessor "OPERATION CHRISTIAN VOTE" stood in 2005 and received 7.6% of the vote. They didn't stand in 2010, which suggests that they couldn't find a candidate (they did stand in other seats). Edited April 12, 2015 by yoda 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 With all the concerns I have about the political system in Scotland and the UK, the one thing I am grateful of is that there is no overt religious element of any real consequence. Maybe that will be advantageous if we ever try to get rid of denominational schools. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 The western isles is full of zoomers, look how well the christian party do there Don't they support trident? Doesn't seem very Christian to me 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 How well? This is the first time that the Scottish Christian Party has stood in the Western Isles at a GE They would get most of their support from wee Free types on Lewis I would assume? That would have hindered the SNP when Donald Stewart was around, but probably doesn't make much difference now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamaldo Posted April 12, 2015 Share Posted April 12, 2015 They'll probably come third behind the SNP and Labour. The Lib Dems and the Conservatives have been absolutely nowhere up here for decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Brian Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 (edited) Come and have a go Nige 'Mon the Polish Prince http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/general-election-2015-polish-prince-challenges-nigel-farage-to-a-duel-over-immigration-question-10171767.html Edited April 13, 2015 by I'm Brian 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fotbawmad Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Raging Tory defector 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Raging Tory defector Ironic anyone from UKIP should have a pop at the BBC considering they've been championing them for years now 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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