Wee Bully Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Michael Connarty on the BBC there - not one clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 No, I'm TELLING you. They wont revisit this for "a generation", just as Salmond and Sturgeon said. The settled will of the Scottish people is known and you lost. You'll just need to deal with this tragic news. The ball WAS in your court, but you fucked it up. You're beginning to sound not only ludicrous but rather panicky at the realisation that there will be another referendum. Are you seriously saying that in the next Scottish parliament the ELECTED government cannot bring forward a proposal for a referendum because of Alex Salmond's personal comments? Desperate stuff from the brits.....tick, tock.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyerTon Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Will this happen or is it one big fecking con? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Lambies Doos Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Get this lad in - Ha ha... get this guy in now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 You're beginning to sound not only ludicrous but rather panicky at the realisation that there will be another referendum. Are you seriously saying that in the next Scottish parliament the ELECTED government cannot bring forward a proposal for a referendum because of Alex Salmond's personal comments? Desperate stuff from the brits.....tick, tock.. I'm not in the least bit bothered. There isn't going to be one anytime soon. And if there was you'd lose it again and by a bigger margin. As for the ELECTED government bit. They can scramble for relevance all they like, they can even hold as many referendums as they like but nobody on the planet is going to recognise the result. You can attempt UDI if you want to be pointed and laughed at some more. You know, and I know, that a referendum on independence ISN'T going to feature in any of the next two SNP manifestos. There's no appetite for going through another divisive referendum campaign again anyway, it will just lose you support. The best thing the SNP can do is show they can actually handle the new powers at Holyrood and can make a fist of running a government that raises and spends wedge via taxing the population. Just as you were entirely wrong the entire way through the referendum campaign, you're wrong here too. You probably need to get some treatment for your monomania, your zeal for secession is fair enough, but normal people arent interested in the slightest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I'm not in the least bit bothered. There isn't going to be one anytime soon. And if there was you'd lose it again and by a bigger margin. As for the ELECTED government bit. They can scramble for relevance all they like, they can even hold as many referendums as they like but nobody on the planet is going to recognise the result. You can attempt UDI if you want to be pointed and laughed at some more. You know, and I know, that a referendum on independence ISN'T going to feature in any of the next two SNP manifestos. There's no appetite for going through another divisive referendum campaign again anyway, it will just lose you support. The best thing the SNP can do is show they can actually handle the new powers at Holyrood and can make a fist of running a government that raises and spends wedge via taxing the population. Just as you were entirely wrong the entire way through the referendum campaign, you're wrong here too. You probably need to get some treatment for your monomania, your zeal for secession is fair enough, but normal people arent interested in the slightest. No get it right, britnats like you aren't interested in another referendum. We were 6% off of winning, that's not in any way shape or form a trouncing. Get ready for indyref2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Will this happen or is it one big fecking con? Do you really require an answer to that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pandarilla Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Is this the bit where I have to come in and criticise your tag team partner? Imagine having Wirez as a fluffer on P&B, you must be really embarrassed about that. etc etc Ha ha. Well I don't really know anything about wirez. Is he a buckled lefty? I suppose its dangerous making alliances when the only thing you know about each other is that you think haggis pakora is a fud. I'm intrigued by your 30 year Tory membership Reynard. Who in that time has been your Tory idol (or at least the one you agreed with the most)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 No get it right, britnats like you aren't interested in another referendum. We were 6% off of winning, that's not in any way shape or form a trouncing. Get ready for indyref2 Dream on chief, not until 2024 at least, that of course depends on the SNP continuing in power in Holyrood, who knows what will happen in the future, but the constant "straw clutching" of the "Yessrs" is now really starting to wear thin, seemed to recall Alex Salmond saying that no matter the result on 18th Sept, it would be respected and accepted, but the truth is this has not been the case, where as the "silent majority" on both sides have gotten on with life, but far to many have refused to move on and really it is getting very close to being pathetic Also the "garbage" that just goes round and round on Wings over Scotland, NewsnetScotland or Bella Caledonia by mostly people who appear to have nothing better to do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Dream on chief, not until 2024 at least, that of course depends on the SNP continuing in power in Holyrood, who knows what will happen in the future, but the constant "straw clutching" of the "Yessrs" is now really starting to wear thin, seemed to recall Alex Salmond saying that no matter the result on 18th Sept, it would be respected and accepted, but the truth is this has not been the case, where as the "silent majority" on both sides have gotten on with life, but far to many have refused to move on and really it is getting very close to being pathetic Also the "garbage" that just goes round and round on Wings over Scotland, NewsnetScotland or Bella Caledonia by mostly people who appear to have nothing better to do Why not 2018? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Why not 2018? not a hope, the political landscape in Scotland needs to settle down, you may not like what comes from Westminster, but we need see what it is and what it looks like and if works, if we go in 2018, there is no time for that, also it would mean that the campaign would have been going 5 out of 7 years, lets be fair here the SNP had been campaigning since 2011 for the 2014 vote, if there would be a vote in 2018, the campaigning would start the day the SNP manifesto is published, surely that alone would diminish the interest from some voters, apart from the result, depending on what side you were on, the best thing about the Indy Ref, was the interest it generated and how it engaged people Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 not a hope, the political landscape in Scotland needs to settle down, you may not like what comes from Westminster, but we need see what it is and what it looks like and if works, if we go in 2018, there is no time for that, also it would mean that the campaign would have been going 5 out of 7 years, lets be fair here the SNP had been campaigning since 2011 for the 2014 vote, if there would be a vote in 2018, the campaigning would start the day the SNP manifesto is published, surely that alone would diminish the interest from some voters, apart from the result, depending on what side you were on, the best thing about the Indy Ref, was the interest it generated and how it engaged people So basically there is no reason why it can't be 2018. You may want it to settle down others may want to strike whilst the iron is hot. And it doesn't need to be a 2 year campaign. Most of the stuff has been debated now. It could be a year or 6 month campaign period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Dream on chief, not until 2024 at least, that of course depends on the SNP continuing in power in Holyrood, who knows what will happen in the future, but the constant "straw clutching" of the "Yessrs" is now really starting to wear thin, seemed to recall Alex Salmond saying that no matter the result on 18th Sept, it would be respected and accepted, but the truth is this has not been the case, where as the "silent majority" on both sides have gotten on with life, but far to many have refused to move on and really it is getting very close to being pathetic Also the "garbage" that just goes round and round on Wings over Scotland, NewsnetScotland or Bella Caledonia by mostly people who appear to have nothing better to do Scotland was completely duped by that vow issued by the 3 Amigos + Gordon Brown in the run up to Sept 18th - which of course came about as a direct result of the YuoGov poll which put Yes narrowly ahead with about 2 weeks to go. That gave Westminster the fright of their fucking lives.There would have been f**k all offered had the polls continued to show No were in front. An SNP landslide in the May election will force the powers that be to think again. On Johann Lamont's resignation - which this thread was about - this was the first time for me she ever said or did anything constructive - particularly her remarks about Scottish Labour being a Westminster branch office. Credit to her for having the guts to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 So basically there is no reason why it can't be 2018. You may want it to settle down others may want to strike whilst the iron is hot. And it doesn't need to be a 2 year campaign. Most of the stuff has been debated now. It could be a year or 6 month campaign period. no political reason, but if you lose in 2018 it really is over the last campaign period was only meant to be 16 weeks, so if you are naïve enough to think that either side would not start campaigning whenever it is announced, you have learned nothing over the past 3 years and yes most stuff has been debated, but that will not stop it being debated again and again Scotland was completely duped by that vow issued by the 3 Amigos + Gordon Brown in the run up to Sept 18th - which of course came about as a direct result of the YuoGov poll which put Yes narrowly ahead with about 2 weeks to go. That gave Westminster the fright of their fucking lives.There would have been f**k all offered had the polls continued to show No were in front. An SNP landslide in the May election will force the powers that be to think again. On Johann Lamont's resignation - which this thread was about - this was the first time for me she ever said or did anything constructive - particularly her remarks about Scottish Labour being a Westminster branch office. Credit to her for having the guts to say that. go on have a go at an answer without the swearing, that will always lose an argument Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 no political reason, but if you lose in 2018 it really is over the last campaign period was only meant to be 16 weeks, so if you are naïve enough to think that either side would not start campaigning whenever it is announced, you have learned nothing over the past 3 years and yes most stuff has been debated, but that will not stop it being debated again and again go on have a go at an answer without the swearing, that will always lose an argument Aw Diddums.... I'm so sorry.... Somehow you have strayed on to a football supporters forum.. Maybe mummy or daddy can direct you towards something more suitable for little boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 no political reason, but if you lose in 2018 it really is over the last campaign period was only meant to be 16 weeks, so if you are naïve enough to think that either side would not start campaigning whenever it is announced, you have learned nothing over the past 3 years and yes most stuff has been debated, but that will not stop it being debated again and again go on have a go at an answer without the swearing, that will always lose an argument Whether some on the no side want to admit it or not the Yes campaign came very close to getting the right result. A last ditch panic and promises that don't really look like being kept saved the day. I agree to a certain extent that we have to wait and see what is being offered. The more powers the harder it is to have another referendum soon. But, if there isn't substantial powers coming to Scotland then expect a referendum before 2020. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Aw Diddums.... I'm so sorry.... Somehow you have strayed on to a football supporters forum.. Maybe mummy or daddy can direct you towards something more suitable for little boys. pathetic response, now off you pop the grown ups are talking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ecto Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Whether some on the no side want to admit it or not the Yes campaign came very close to getting the right result. A last ditch panic and promises that don't really look like being kept saved the day. I agree to a certain extent that we have to wait and see what is being offered. The more powers the harder it is to have another referendum soon. But, if there isn't substantial powers coming to Scotland then expect a referendum before 2020. we will all have to wait and see, but am sure the "slavering" by some will continue and it will get worse in the lead up to 2016 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Whether some on the no side want to admit it or not the Yes campaign came very close to getting the right result. A last ditch panic and promises that don't really look like being kept saved the day. I agree to a certain extent that we have to wait and see what is being offered. The more powers the harder it is to have another referendum soon. But, if there isn't substantial powers coming to Scotland then expect a referendum before 2020. A referendum is not necessarily the only route to an Independent Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 A referendum is not necessarily the only route to an Independent Scotland. Its the only peaceful way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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