haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Good to see after her previous utter utter fail on EU membership, she's back for Round 2. She like a rottweiler without a cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yep. Legal advice from Austin Lafferty perhaps. Is that the same Austin Lafferty that use to be on Richard and Judy or some other shite daytime programming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LinkinFighter Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 The backslapping in here is horrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 I'm starting to think you guys should have your own thread to discuss how much you seethe over the SNP and everything they say. Why do you always talk utter mince. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 You are Reynard are such a pair of loser *and.That should be the word after "You" you thick loony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Are you so thick you can't see why the soon to be FM commenting on Scotland within the EU wouldn't be reverent in a thread about the EU? "reverent" You really are a thick lefty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Yeah, and it's not daft - the veto itself is unworkable of course, it'd be pretty undemocratic if England with 90 odd percent of the population votes to go, only to be held back by the majority of the other 10%, but it's not really about the veto, is it. It's about grounds for action should there be a referendum on EU membership, should the UK vote to leave but Scotland voting to stay. That's democracy matey,suck it up and be proud of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Either we're a nation of equal nations or we're England and some regions, which is it? Scottish MPs voting on "English only" matters. = outrageous. English votes potentially taking us out the EU even if Scotland voting 99% against Democracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haggis pakora Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 Scottish MPs voting on "English only" matters. = outrageous. English votes potentially taking us out the EU even if Scotland voting 99% against Democracy Suck democracy up,that's what it's about.It can be utter mince sometimes, but you will get over it at some point. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 Scottish MPs voting on "English only" matters. = outrageous. English votes potentially taking us out the EU even if Scotland voting 99% against Democracy Do you think that using the same logic Sturgeon is using that the rest of the members of the union should have a veto over whether Scotland leaves or not? Maybe the unionists in Northern Ireland would be really sad to see us go? The Welsh definitely would be. Sturgeons first major intervention as leader elect and it was a fucking car crash effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 So if Scotland votes to leave the EU, England votes to leave, Wales votes to leave but 51% of N Ireland vote to stay Sturgeon's opinion is that the UK and Scotland stay in the EU? Really? So if Wales, Scotland and NI vote to stay and England votes to go, we go. Is that it? In what way is that a union of equal nations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The white paper commitment re once in a generation = meaningless; the Edinburgh Agreement = meaningless from an SNP perspective to be ignored if they lost but treated like an absolute if they had won narrowly; accepting the result = meaningless. But that's politics. There was no commitment re: once in a generation. But thanks for playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reynard Posted October 30, 2014 Author Share Posted October 30, 2014 There was no commitment re: once in a generation. But thanks for playing. Too bad the British State don't see it this way. They take the result as totally binding and decisive, what you think therefore doesn't matter now. You had a wee shot at things. You utterly blew it and lost. Unlucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthEnclosure Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The SNP stance here is utterly ludicrous, fair enough if they had won the referendum Scotland could have decided itself about the EU. They lost, so IF there is a referendum, and I won;t hold my breath, it will be decided by the whole of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 The SNP stance here is utterly ludicrous, fair enough if they had won the referendum Scotland could have decided itself about the EU. They lost, so IF there is a referendum, and I won;t hold my breath, it will be decided by the whole of the UK. It's not if you take the popularly accepted viewpoint that the UK is a 'family of nations', it is ludicrous if you take the legal viewpoint that the UK is an incorporated unitary state. However, I suspect the former viewpoint is likely to be more prevalent, even amongst those who voted to remain part of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Too bad the British State don't see it this way. They take the result as totally binding and decisive, what you think therefore doesn't matter now. You had a wee shot at things. You utterly blew it and lost. Unlucky It kinda does though. At the end of the day it'd be next to impossible for the British state, with it's history and culture to ignore popular opinion if a consultative referendum threw up a yes vote (it'd have to have a bigger margin than 55/45 though, I imagine). The traditions and culture of Spanish politics have always promoted a more advesarial and more authoritarian view of the centre towards the 'regions'. They don't care what Catalonia thinks. The British state simply isn't in the same position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthEnclosure Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We joined up together in the 70s, therefore any decision will be made as a group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Do you think that using the same logic Sturgeon is using that the rest of the members of the union should have a veto over whether Scotland leaves or not? Maybe the unionists in Northern Ireland would be really sad to see us go? The Welsh definitely would be. Sturgeons first major intervention as leader elect and it was a fucking car crash effort. Actually, no - anyone who wants to leave should be allowed to leave, just as anyone who wants to stay should be allowed to. Her intervention was positioning for the idea that Scotland will mosey off if England votes to leave. Politically it's a piece of posturing, but it works to set in train the idea that where England and Scotland diverge on policy, both should be allowed to do their own thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 We joined up together in the 70s, therefore any decision will be made as a group. The first part there doesn't automatically lead to the second, sorry - but it doesn't. it's a totally changed political and cultural norm from 40 years ago - same rules do not apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tio Pepe Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Should all areas of Scotland have to vote Yes in a referendum on independence? After all we are one big Scottish family and surely we all have to agree to any constituitonal change. Surgeon is engaging in blatant politicking to appeal to the less bright amongst her flock. She knows full well she is taking bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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