Baxter Parp Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I was speculating, (hence why I said 'I would suggest' rather than outright stating my opinion as though it were fact ) but I somehow doubt they would vote UKIP considering that UKIP come across as an 'English' party. "There are quite a few anti-English xenophobes in Scotland" Is not speculation. Evidence, please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 How many seats do you think the SNP are going to win in May? I think Ukip will win none in te GE they might get one via the list at Holyroo, who knows. I expect the SNP to win more than 20 Scottish seats in May, 15 as a minimum. They will have far more seats at Westminster than UKIP, despite standing in Scotland only. Not only will the SNP comfortably win the forthcoming Holyrood election, but pro-independence parties will crushingly outnumber unionist parties, and the Greens will have many more seats than your beloved UKIP could dream of winning. They may even have fewer seats than a Socialist party. Just let that sink in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It's 25% and obviously far, far too high, both in of itself and of a total of racist attacks that is far, far too high. Beyond that you are speculating, you don't know that they actually do vote, you don't know that their world view is dominated by their anti English racism - it may only be one element of their spectrum of hatred, they might not want independence even if they do hate them, you don't know if they are members of the SNP - you certainly can't be suggesting that they in any way influence the values or policies of the party. To therefore ascribe the SNP as their home is to project values onto the SNP that certainly aren't there. You might want the SNP to be vile racists, it may be how you fit them into your headspace where all nationalism is evil (god knows how you stomach voting for the Tories or Labour in that case) but it simply isn't there on the evidence provided, certainly not in my epxerience of the SNP, either on a policy level or of the many members I've met. The Ethnic group is White British, who says they're English? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Yep. If you want to spend the rest of your day discussing this in detail, please consult any of the many, many identical threads in which I've totally wasted my time squabbling with you about it. Well, it's just a ludicrous claim. In no way whatsoever can the SNP be referred to as centre left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Yeah, seriously becuase you have failed, time and time again to provide evidence of a substantial link between anti english racism and a desire for self government. If you seriously want to pretend that anti-English racists will be against secession, then that's your preserve. It's beyond ridiculous. Which party do you think Bruce Ogilvie and his Settler Watch pals support? Greens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 If you seriously want to pretend that anti-English racists will be against secession, then that's your preserve. It's beyond ridiculous. Which party do you think Bruce Ogilvie and his Settler Watch pals support? Greens? It's not beyond ridiculous, not at all - and you have provided no evidence, not one iota of it, to link the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 It's not beyond ridiculous, not at all - and you have provided no evidence, not one iota of it, to link the two. What about Siol nan Gaidheal? Labour supporters? What evidence would you like that the secessionist SNP attract those with anti-English sentiment? I've asked you before - if you were a Scots anti-English racist, who would you vote for? The Conservatives? "I hate the fucking English... ... but I'd really like to remain in a political union with my English brethren.... who I hate". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I believe he asked for evidence champ, not another list of non-sequitur questions. In your own time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What about Siol nan Gaidheal? Labour supporters? What evidence would you like that the secessionist SNP attract those with anti-English sentiment? I've asked you before - if you were a Scots anti-English racist, who would you vote for? The Conservatives? How about a nice peer reviewed study. And I've answered you before, it depends largely on the rest of your worldview. Even if your utter hatred for another race was all consuming, it wouldn't actually make the SNP that attractive due to their varoius pronouncements on culture and immigration. beyond that? As I've said it'd be easy to express an utter hatred of the English and vote Tory if your over riding concerns were low taxes and to be left by the government to stew in your own hatred. Your premise relies on the hilariously simplistic idea that these fuckwits are entirely defined by that one vice. For all you know their hatred of the English may only be trumped by their hatred for Europeans or non caucasians to the point where a vote for UKIP, or Labour, or the Tories or whoever ends up promising to get really tough on immigration makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I believe he asked for evidence champ, not another list of non-sequitur questions. In your own time. Would you like me to conduct a poll of SNP voters, asking if they are racists? Maybe I can hire a History graduate to do it for me... they won't have much else to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 How about a nice peer reviewed study. Why don't you conduct one. Of course, all UKIP voters in Scotland may just like their policies on education, and actually be pro-European. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Would you like me to conduct a poll of SNP voters, asking if they are racists? Maybe I can hire a History graduate to do it for me... they won't have much else to do. What, no one forgetting their windows password today? Hardly seems like a profitable line of attack given the amount of time you, me and everyone else spends wasting on here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Would you like me to conduct a poll of SNP voters, asking if they are racists? Maybe I can hire a History graduate to do it for me... they won't have much else to do. I'd like you to use evidence to back up your points, without flouncing into a tantrum like the above, laughable post. History graduates would certainly have no problems with this basic task, and yet you're floundering quite badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 If H_B would just admit he has no evidence for the garbage he spouts we could all just move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Why don't you conduct one. Of course, all UKIP voters in Scotland may just like their policies on education, and actually be pro-European. I could, but I'm not the one who needs the evidence to prove his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Why don't you conduct one. The onus is on the person making the claim to provide credible evidence. You'd think a middling law squad chump would be able to grasp this; apparently not. Looks like you're having a complete Reynard today, best to scuttle off for a while and hope no-one remembers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colkitto Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 HB Taking a trouncing in this one..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~~~ Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Would you like me to conduct a poll of SNP voters, asking if they are racists? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 The onus is on the person making the claim to provide credible evidence. You'd think a middling law squad chump would be able to grasp this; apparently not. Looks like you're having a complete Reynard today, best to scuttle off for a while and hope no-one remembers. Not sure I will be taking any advice from a graduate in a third rate subject like history. Thanks all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H_B Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 What, no one forgetting their windows password today? Hardly seems like a profitable line of attack given the amount of time you, me and everyone else spends wasting on here. My team are working like trojans... it's a well oiled machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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