Ludo*1 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Are these Facebook figures, yes? No, fully paid up members according to Peter Murrell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Are these Facebook figures, yes? NAW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambie's Pigeon Feed Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I agree with the general principle of what you are saying but you shouldn't really equate the SSP with RIC. RIC were a very broad movement. I would love a genuinely left wing force in Scottish politics. The SSP though will continue to suffer whilst the Prince over the water remains in the limelight and public consciousness unless they can find a way to bury the hatchet. Now might be a good time to do it with Sheridan acccpeting a spokesperson role without getting to sit in the NEC The SSP and RIC shared platforms in Glasgow quite a few times, meetings were co ordinated so as not to be in the same area of Glasgow, leafletting was co ordinated where appropriate and there was the kind of adult relationship you'd hope for while having 2 distinct identities. RIC are unquestionably more 21st century, young and fresh. Not being a party had additional appeal and their social media output was awesome. By comparison the SSP handed out black and white leaflets and have comparatively amateurish social media, banners, etc. The 2 should merge although that was more likely had it been Yes last week imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Going by these polling predictions...http://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/polls_scot.html, Given their Labour polling average is scraping 40%,despite just one poll from ten this calendar year (and not including last week's poll, which also didn't) showing Labour at this figure, I think we can take the prediction with a fair pinch of salt. Labour getting 46s in March 2011 prior to the electoral rout at Holyrood doesn't strike me as legit data for autumn 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordieBoy80 Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I think the SSP will look to thrash out some kind of deal with the SNP and/or Greens for the Holyrood elections, that was the feeling I got from the Dunfermline and West Fife meeting on Wednesday as they realise they are too small to make any kind of significant difference on their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I've joined the Green party. Patrick Harvie handled himself brilliantly in the debates and I know Maggie Chapman and she is a genuinely good person with only good intentions. I just feel like they are a truly honest party who want the best for the world. The Caroline Lucas speech on the Iraq debate yesterday was also absolutely spot on. Other politicians just can't, or refuse, to see it this way. http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/09/26/caroline-lucas-mp-on-iraq-debate-killing-people-rarely-kills-their-ideas/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1320Lichtie Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 I've joined the Green party. Patrick Harvie handled himself brilliantly in the debates and I know Maggie Chapman and she is a genuinely good person with only good intentions. I just feel like they are a truly honest party who want the best for the world. The Caroline Lucas speech on the Iraq debate yesterday was also absolutely spot on. Other politicians just can't, or refuse, to see it this way. http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/09/26/caroline-lucas-mp-on-iraq-debate-killing-people-rarely-kills-their-ideas/ Without being funny but why have the governments of the UK always been totally right wing? Why aren't the greens etc so much bigger? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boabinoban Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Are these Facebook figures, yes? FFS when are you going to give up with your inept wummery? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kejan Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Interesting. I tried, but failed much like many things in life, but can anyone set up a poll please. Have you joined a party, and if so which one? SNP, Greens, SSP, Labour, Tories. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Romanov Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 Without being funny but why have the governments of the UK always been totally right wing? Why aren't the greens etc so much bigger? Because the system is flawed and we are trapped in this two party pish? Folk scared of the tories having power vote for Labour and vice versa. I think as more people realise how serious the environmental issues are, and with the new era of politics in Scotland, the Greens will grow massively over the next few decades. Also, as we all know, the south of England dictate the UK's political consciousness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaffenThinMint Posted September 27, 2014 Share Posted September 27, 2014 The SSP and RIC shared platforms in Glasgow quite a few times, meetings were co ordinated so as not to be in the same area of Glasgow, leafletting was co ordinated where appropriate and there was the kind of adult relationship you'd hope for while having 2 distinct identities. RIC are unquestionably more 21st century, young and fresh. Not being a party had additional appeal and their social media output was awesome. By comparison the SSP handed out black and white leaflets and have comparatively amateurish social media, banners, etc. The 2 should merge although that was more likely had it been Yes last week imo. But few are fooled that the Radical Independence Campaign is little more than a Scottish Socialist Party front. It may have the support of the Scottish Greens - who nice as they are still have the same naivity towards other parties that's got them screwed over a hundred times before (eg. the YSN affair) - but the very fact they debarred Tommy Sheridan made it plain from the off it's one of those tortuous flags of convenience failing poseur left cadres run up when times are hard, via which they hope to artificially inflate their own importance in the eyes of the public (& siphon off some funds...) - hence the main reason for Sheridan's proscription as a threat to getting a bit of limelight. In many ways, the RIC highlights why socialism in the British Isles is doomed to remain in a rut: still running through the same old routines of running up front-groups (in itself an admission of their own weakness) looking for short term dashes for growth rather than long term planning. The Greens & UKIP - and dare I say the SNP - all discovered the hard way there's no substitute for long term hard work at constituency level & building lasting local activist bases which will still exist even during the lean years. The trouble with Britain's far-left & far-right is that most of these groups tend to be filled with the more excitable elements of society - students, malcontented middle agers, tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists, militant lifestyle "rights" evangelicals - all of whom have a bad habit of flitting from one fad to the next & cannot be depended upon for lasting loyalty. Look no further than your own description of the RIC as "more 21st century, young and fresh" like its a new brand of washing powder - specifically appealing to the fickle. It's the reason why the right minded will ignore them as so-much wasted dissipations of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booker-T Posted September 28, 2014 Share Posted September 28, 2014 Just joined the SNP. British government can't kill us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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renton Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 YouGov sub samples and Panelbase are broadly in agreement as to the Lib Dems and Tory votes (interestingly, on a uniform swing that gives the tories 2 extra seats in Scotland) but disagree on the extent to whichthe SNP ar ein the lead (but both do agree they are) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dryhorce Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Flirted with joining the SNP a few years ago,thing is all they are for me is a platform for Indy must say there policies have been good though I vote for them but if I was joining any party it would be the SSP who also want Indy never voted for them as think it would be wasted After Indy though when we get it its the party for me most certainly remember that we only need to win once Will they let us win though without fixing it on there side that is the question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 SNP now has 106,000 members. The Tories estimated they had around 134,000 members just last year to put that in perspective. Labour has about 195-200 thousand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 SNP now has 106,000 members. The Tories estimated they had around 134,000 members just last year to put that in perspective. Labour has about 195-200 thousand. Where'd you see that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 renton, on 02 Oct 2014 - 16:30, said:renton, on 02 Oct 2014 - 16:30, said:Where'd you see that? The Sun - But after checking it out, they're wrong. They've added their original membership onto their 'new' total rather than their 'new' members. The real figure is around 80,000 when they originally had around 26,000. ETA: The Vote Yes Group on FB also saying this, here's their quote: 'we have over 80,000 register SNP members with over 26,946 to approve taking our total to over 106,000 members keep registering let's double this'. I've had a long day and am absolutely shattered and can't think straight at the moment, but I think it's around the 80k mark total, although I could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 SNP confirmed this afternoon that Membership has, today, surpassed 75'000. They also confirmed large membership applications in what would be considered Red Tory strongholds. And they indicated there were more expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 75'000 comfortably makes them the third largest party in the whole of the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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