LongTimeLurker Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The trouble is that we have the wealth the break away successfully now. I hope that's still the case in 20 years. The next step after fossil fuels is likely to be a hydrogen economy based on renewables and Scotland could do very well on that with wind, wave and tidal hooked up to hydro pump storage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Barnett Formula and the West Lothian question are now hot political topics in England. This election pulled at the fraying seems of UK unionism. Now the right is seeking to use English nationalism as a wedge issue for both Labour and the Tory centerists.An EU vote is also on the cards for the UK wide.Young Scotland has found a voice for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Thank f**k there are still enough voters with enough common sense in this country. Never a doubt of a no win. Once the union was up for discussion it was doomed to failure for the Yes campaign. Salmond fucked up there. Now he needs to get what he can from Westminster, really what he should have done in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Can't we just bus all the pensioners down to England and f**k off and have an iScotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozam76 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 YES certainly ran the far better campaign, and they got a bigger share of the vote than I expected. Our campaign was largely complacent rubbish, followed by a panicked last couple of weeks when the polls narrowed. Do you reckon that had Cameron/Milliband/(to a lesser degree)Clegg not intervened, the result may have been different? Your views on the merits/shortcomings of both campaigns are refreshing btw, esp. coming from a No voter. Kudos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The big chair Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 HMRC being given more time to finish off Rangers could be seen as another positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozam76 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Thank f**k there are still enough voters with enough common sense in this country. Never a doubt of a no win. Once the union was up for discussion it was doomed to failure for the Yes campaign. Salmond fucked up there. Now he needs to get what he can from Westminster, really what he should have done in the first place There's an argument that it's actually a win/win for Salmond, certainly since The Vow was announced. What is being offered may fall short of Devo Max, but it's more than what was offered on the ballot paper (nowt) - if the Unionist parties don't come good on it, then what? Salmond (or whoever is in charge of SNP at the time) would surely be rubbing their hands in glee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The Barnett Formula and the West Lothian question are now hot political topics in England. This election pulled at the fraying seems of UK unionism. Now the right is seeking to use English nationalism as a wedge issue for both Labour and the Tory centerists. An EU vote is also on the cards for the UK wide. Young Scotland has found a voice for itself. It's going to be interesting if they bring in a rule that only English MPs get to vote on wholly English matters, with Labour winning UK wide but the Tories in England. The UK could fall apart on its own.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trawler Rum & Weetabix Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There's an argument that it's actually a win/win for Salmond, certainly since The Vow was announced. What is being offered may fall short of Devo Max, but it's more than what was offered on the ballot paper (nowt) - if the Unionist parties don't come good on it, then what? Salmond (or whoever is in charge of SNP at the time) would surely be rubbing their hands in glee. At last, a shaft of common sense. 45% of the electorate with the full forces of the British State and the most one-sided and vitriolic media campaign in peace time ranged against you is a stupendous achievement. The navel-gazing now switches to Westminster with Brown and Co soon realising that what is promised in Loanhead Miners Welfare Club counts for f**k all in the Commons Division Lobby. A clear majority for a Tory party bent out of shape to the right by UKIP would stir the pot beautifully ahead of a referendum on Europe. We've lost the first game in the Group Stages lads and lassies, but we're a long way from out of the tournament. Chin up !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WATPeepel Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heedthebaa Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 There's an argument that it's actually a win/win for Salmond, certainly since The Vow was announced. What is being offered may fall short of Devo Max, but it's more than what was offered on the ballot paper (nowt) - if the Unionist parties don't come good on it, then what? Salmond (or whoever is in charge of SNP at the time) would surely be rubbing their hands in glee.it was a win win for the people of Scotland, that's for sure. Just need to keep pressure on those slippery b*****ds in London now. The ballot paper should never have had the union up for grabs, a no brainer all day long Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 19, 2014 Author Share Posted September 19, 2014 it was a win win for the people of Scotland, that's for sure. Just need to keep pressure on those slippery b*****ds in London now. The ballot paper should never have had the union up for grabs, a no brainer all day long It was Westminster who rejected the 3rd question, thinking they wouldn't have to worry about devolving anything else. They only offered more when they shat it in the last 2 weeks. Salmond wanted the Devo Max option, something that would probably have suited the SNP far more than outright independence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supras Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Do you reckon that had Cameron/Milliband/(to a lesser degree)Clegg not intervened, the result may have been different? Your views on the merits/shortcomings of both campaigns are refreshing btw, esp. coming from a No voter. Kudos. The admittance of the shortcomings which has come from many no supporters is the equivalent of a manager saying his team played terribly but still won. It's really just another way of gloating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another bit from Ascroft's poll, apparently they interviewed 2000 people after they voted. Looks like if no voters can be reassured about the economy they could be turned around: aschroft.JPG http://lordashcroftpolls.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Referendum-day-poll-summary-140919.pdf It will never be possible to give reassurances about the economy, the existing power holders, backed by their rich and powerful friends in business and the media will continue with the same old threats. The laughable bit is that that the status quo gives no reassurances either. Having read some NO apologists on here as to what would be required to change their minds, then their minds will never change because no one can offer them the guarantees that they are after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 It's going to be interesting if they bring in a rule that only English MPs get to vote on wholly English matters, with Labour winning UK wide but the Tories in England. The UK could fall apart on its own.. The UK constitution is a political disaster waiting to happen. Two polls putting Yes ahead lit the fuse on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MassiveFanDan Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 Another bit from Ascroft's poll, apparently they interviewed 2000 people after they voted. Looks like if no voters can be reassured about the economy they could be turned around: SNP and Yes campaign should've spent the first year (Jesus, two and a half years was it?) absolutely hammering the subsidy myth. Constant, annoying, non-stop hammering about how we are not subsidized by the rest of the UK. In every interview, every statement, every press release. No matter how ridiculous it looked. Rather than answering every question with "...but Trident!" or going on about levers the whole time. The "one of the richest countries in the world" stuff could never sound convincing to generations raised on the subsidy myth, even if it's true to an extent. The first stage should've been to conclusively dispose of that achilles heel, at least in so far as it;s possible. But it never happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KR88 Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 The trouble is that we have the wealth the break away successfully now. I hope that's still the case in 20 years. A Conservative government, followed by an EU exit would I'm sure trigger another vote by 2020. What wealth?? Give me stats!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pull My Strings Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 it was a win win for the people of Scotland, that's for sure. Just need to keep pressure on those slippery b*****ds in London now. The ballot paper should never have had the union up for grabs, a no brainer all day long You're kidding yourself. Not only is Cameron under no real pressure to deliver substantive constitutional change he (and Clegg and Milliband) had no mandate to offer it in the first place. It's going to get extremely messy for the three Westminster parties now as they try (or pretend to try) to deliver on their vague sort of promises to the No voters of Scotland whilst simultaneously trying to keep the rest of the UK on side. UKIP will have a fucking field day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 They are demanding Scotland based MPs not be allowed to vote on English issues, which will exclude them from heading major departments and even being PM, creating a kind of second class MP representing a second class citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 19, 2014 Share Posted September 19, 2014 What wealth?? Give me stats!! :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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