Alex Salmond

[Houghmagandy]

Polling shows that No voters were more likely to vote based on patriotism than Yes, so it's an all round incorrect post.

what sort of idiocy is this? a poll is just a record or projected outcome of a voting process. it doesn't nor can it be telling what was the cause of that vote. what a pointless stupid thing 2 say. u cannot qualify why ppl r voting a certain way with any real certainty unless u cavas opinions very wideley. ofc u hav no proof (snp never does) so i dn't believe ur nonesense.

[H_B]

Polling shows that No voters were more likely to vote based on patriotism than Yes,

Does it?

[Banterous]

Does it?

I think so actually. There was an ICM poll done that confirmed it and Andrew Cooper's poll focused on the economics of the No case. There was a Spectator news article I read this morning

[Supras]

Polling shows that No voters were more likely to vote based on patriotism than Yes, so it's an all round incorrect post.

A more interesting scenario would be one where the "english...stop us using the point....b/c they control the interest rates".

How does that work

Which fundamental term are you not understanding, the notion of currency or interest rates?

[Houghmagandy]

A more interesting scenario would be one where the "english...stop us using the point....b/c they control the interest rates".

How does that work

Which fundamental term are you not understanding, the notion of currency or interest rates?

I think maybe u r not understanding currency and interest rates.

If scotland is independent bt uses the sterling then all the interest rates of tht currency are set by the bank of england. therefore scotland's economic policy is heavily controlled by the english and scotland is therefore not independent.

understand?

[SodjesSixteenIncher]

what sort of idiocy is this? a poll is just a record or projected outcome of a voting process. it doesn't nor can it be telling what was the cause of that vote. what a pointless stupid thing 2 say. u cannot qualify why ppl r voting a certain way with any real certainty unless u cavas opinions very wideley. ofc u hav no proof (snp never does) so i dn't believe ur nonesense.

[Banterous]

what sort of idiocy is this? a poll is just a record or projected outcome of a voting process. it doesn't nor can it be telling what was the cause of that vote. what a pointless stupid thing 2 say. u cannot qualify why ppl r voting a certain way with any real certainty unless u cavas opinions very wideley. ofc u hav no proof (snp never does) so i dn't believe ur nonesense.

I'm not going to help you because you don't deserve it. Now f**k off, there's a good chap

[lightscamera]

this is stupid, jst hoping that it will turn out ok is not a reason 2 vote yes. u need to have assurances and a definite plan of action. not just say 'fk it, it will prolly b ok'. u dont make massive decisions for our kids whilst being uncertain about so much. smart ppl will not take a leap into the blackness over their kids future just on the off chance that it might end up ok.

yes voters thinking grass is greener, but without ANY evidence for tht being the case whatsoever. like i said, its just patriotic fervour and nothing else, and tht is a VERY BAD raison for making a huge decision for our kids. patriotism is an 'idea' about fantasy common identities. patriotism is not a reality. I deal in realities, and b4 I make decisions for my kids I make sure i know exactly wht they are before i make them. i dnt just guess. ppl don't know what side their bread is buttered on.

Sorry, where did I say that I was "hoping it will turn out OK" ?

I'm not thick, I know that probably to start with things would likely have been worse than it is but Im certain that would have turned around and Scotland would have prospered without being in the Union.

I take it you are quite happy having people making decisions for us that do not care a jot about Scotland? Love him or loathe him, Salmond has Scotland at heart

[Houghmagandy]

I'm not going to help you because you don't deserve it. Now f**k off, there's a good chap

i dnt need ure help. don't get mad cos im right.

once again no one can counter arguments at all. mst of u ppl don't know anything about how polls work. u cn make an opinion poll say whatever u want if u ask the questions in a way that suits the answer u want to have.

im jst happy that we didn't resign our country to a status of insignificance and economic uncertainty. thats what the yes voters wanted. ppl who put their imaginarey 'national pride' above reality. together weith england we british became the most influential nation on earth and lead the way for modern western society. on its own scotland is nothing, jst a pointless isolated state on the fringes of northern europe which wud struggle economically and politically. once the "honeymoon" period of idependence was ovr it wud be the same complaints ovr and ovr, expecpt it wud be worse b/c we don't hav anywhere near the inherent wealth, commericialism or innovation of the london english. We have some oil, thats about it. the whole state would buckle undr the pressure of welfarism.

[Banterous]

i dnt need ure help. don't get mad cos im right.

once again no one can counter arguments at all. mst of u ppl don't know anything about how polls work. u cn make an opinion poll say whatever u want if u ask the questions in a way that suits the answer u want to have.

im jst happy that we didn't resign our country to a status of insignificance and economic uncertainty. thats what the yes voters wanted. ppl who put their imaginarey 'national pride' above reality. together weith england we british became the most influential nation on earth and lead the way for modern western society. on its own scotland is nothing, jst a pointless isolated state on the fringes of northern europe which wud struggle economically and politically. once the "honeymoon" period of idependence was ovr it wud be the same complaints ovr and ovr, expecpt it wud be worse b/c we don't hav anywhere near the inherent wealth, commericialism or innovation of the london english. We have some oil, thats about it. the whole state would buckle undr the pressure of welfarism.

[Supras]

I think maybe u r not understanding currency and interest rates.

If scotland is independent bt uses the sterling then all the interest rates of tht currency are set by the bank of england. therefore scotland's economic policy is heavily controlled by the english and scotland is therefore not independent.

understand?

And this stops us using the pound.....how?

[Houghmagandy]

Sorry, where did I say that I was "hoping it will turn out OK" ?

I'm not thick, I know that probably to start with things would likely have been worse than it is but Im certain that would have turned around and Scotland would have prospered without being in the Union.

I take it you are quite happy having people making decisions for us that do not care a jot about Scotland? Love him or loathe him, Salmond has Scotland at heart

this is wht im talking about 'im certain tht it would have turned around nd scotland would have prospered without being in the union'. What evidence do u hav for this? this is just bland hope without any raison for thinking it. this is exactly what i sed ur just hoping that it will turn out ok. the point is no one noes how it will hav turned out and thats the point, bt i have no evidenece whatsoever to say that it will b better.

salmond does not care ab scotland, he cares ab alex salmond. he's not an astute politician, he has ONE rhetoric: independence. outside of that who knows what the hell he thinks?

we all forget tht without england and britain, we wud not be able to have our priviledges like free university nd free prescriptions, and if we did then many more cuts will have 2 made elsewhere to balance the books. but people dnt think this far ahead. they don't think that our union of over 300 years works. they are just politically disollusioned b/c they can't b bothered to engage with anything thats not simple. thts why we have such crap turnouts for general elections, b/c ppl cba engaging with the debates b/c its too hard. u lot think the corruption and stuff wud be different if scotland was independent think again. it wud be the exact same.

[1320Lichtie]

Joined the SNP the day.

Alex Salmonds SNP army....

Say what you like about the referendum but me as a 22 year old (plenty others I know) FINALLY took a proper interest in Politics!!! Major success in that sense. Now to fucking hope I see this day in my lifetime again...

[Houghmagandy]

see?

no counter arguments, just posting gifs b/c then u dn't actually hav to engage anything i said because u can't. this is what yes voters do. like i said many times ad hominem attacks.

[lightscamera]

this is wht im talking about 'im certain tht it would have turned around nd scotland would have prospered without being in the union'. What evidence do u hav for this? this is just bland hope without any raison for thinking it. this is exactly what i sed ur just hoping that it will turn out ok. the point is no one noes how it will hav turned out and thats the point, bt i have no evidenece whatsoever to say that it will b better.

salmond does not care ab scotland, he cares ab alex salmond. he's not an astute politician, he has ONE rhetoric: independence. outside of that who knows what the hell he thinks?

we all forget tht without england and britain, we wud not be able to have our priviledges like free university nd free prescriptions, and if we did then many more cuts will have 2 made elsewhere to balance the books. but people dnt think this far ahead. they don't think that our union of over 300 years works. they are just politically disollusioned b/c they can't b bothered to engage with anything thats not simple. thts why we have such crap turnouts for general elections, b/c ppl cba engaging with the debates b/c its too hard. u lot think the corruption and stuff wud be different if scotland was independent think again. it wud be the exact same.

What evidence do you have that it wouldn't have?

Also can you please refrain from using made-up words.

[Houghmagandy]

And this stops us using the pound.....how?

it doesn't technically stop us using it, but if we did use it wud not be independent so the whole thing wud have been pointless - totally pointless.

[Banterous]

see?

no counter arguments, just posting gifs b/c then u dn't actually hav to engage anything i said because u can't. this is what yes voters do. like i said many times ad hominem attacks.

The main reasons I didn't respond

1. Your post was unintelligible.

2. You assumed I was a Yes voter.

3. The poll taken was itself regarding voting attitudes.

4. You're a c**t.

[Houghmagandy]

What evidence do you have that it wouldn't have?

Also can you please refrain from using made-up words.

this is like arguing that God exists because you can't provide evidence that he doesn't. Rational people take action based on evidence, not a lack of it: if ther is no evidence that something good will happen from action then don't take action. we dnt live in a family guy unvierse where u can jst do almost random things with no evidence either way of the consequences of your actions. this is not how raisonable people bevhave.

in any event there is plenty of evidence (such as salmond's total inability to provide clarity on MAJOR social and economic questions) tht it would not have turned out ok, and wud have caused mass uncertainty for us. many of us are already suffering from the crisis and other things, and we don't need added inept and uncertain economic outlook ontop of that. you really think that investors will jump at the chance to invest in a country which has no idea even in wht currency it will use? ofc they won't and once again the ppl will suffer again so that salmond can have his name in history.

also all word r made up. read shakespeare half the words he made up. but not tht it matters cos im nt making up words, bad/lazy spelling is not making up words.

[lightscamera]

Joined the SNP the day.

Alex Salmonds SNP army....

Say what you like about the referendum but me as a 22 year old (plenty others I know) FINALLY took a proper interest in Politics!!! Major success in that sense. Now to fucking hope I see this day in my lifetime again...

Well done you, although it was a pain in the backside that everytime someone put a Facebook post up that was in anyway related to the referendum there would be at least 4 replies that were guaranteed to be from you! As you say though, very good to see the interest in it from the younger generation

[Houghmagandy]

The main reasons I didn't respond

1. Your post was unintelligible.

2. You assumed I was a Yes voter.

3. The poll taken was itself regarding voting attitudes.

4. You're a c**t.

see, once again, ad hominem. can't engage cos u have nothing to say so just call me a c**t. how sad, grow up. go nd learn history, economics and politics. if u dnt believe that opinion polls are very unreliable thats ure problem. I mean u dont watch shampoo adverts and thing 'WOW I MUST BUY HEAD AND SHOULDERS NOW BECAUSE 93% OF CUSTOMERS AGREED IT WAS GOOD'. No b/c u already know that the survey is almost certainly biased and or fake. Understand now why opinion polls r not reliable?