Casual Bystander Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Are you honestly comparing the way Nations of the British Empire were Governed to how Scotland (via Westminster) has been?! Scots and Scotland played a major part in building that Empire. Have a look at the countries listed then the dates they left Westminster rule. The vast majority left long, long, long after the British Empire ceased to exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 In what way? giving up their own currency for the Euro? You know I didn't realise that Ireland started off using the Euro rather than actually using the pound for the vast majority of it's existence. 1922 is when Ireland became an independent country. It's just over a decade that it's had the Euro. And you were stating my argument was flawed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Have a look at the countries listed then the dates they left Westminster rule. The vast majority left long, long, long after the British Empire ceased to exist. Yes........as part of the agreement with the US for them joining WW2 in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The following are a list of modern countries that have gained independence from Westminster control: United States Australia Canada New Zealand India Pakistan Israel South Africa Ireland Egypt Nigeria Cyprus Jordan Sri Lanka Ghana Kuwait Malaysia Tuvalu Kiribati Myanmar (Burma) Tanzania Jamaica Malawi Saint Lucia Vanuatu Zimbabwe Uganda Iraq Trinidad and Tobago Malta Sierra Leone Barbados Lesotho Botswana The Gambia Maldives Kenya Grenada Sudan (South Sudan) Samoa Zambia Guyana Yemen Fiji Papa New Guinea United Arab Emirates Swaziland Solomon Islands Bahrain Qatar Mauritius Nauru Swaziland Bahamas Seychelles Dominica Antigua and Barbuda Belize Saint Kitts and Nevis Brunei This is the list of those who have asked to return to UK rule: No-one wants anything to do with the UK....we're horrible people and its a horrible place to live too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Loyal is described as "giving or showing firm and constant support or allegiance to a person or institution." You wish to remain loyal to the union. You are a loyalist. But you well know that that particular word has connotations, both here and back home. I could also point out that you have tried to link the debate to the OO in the past, and have previously stated that no voters should leave Scotland, but I didn't. If I vote no, as I suspect I will, then it will be for reasons entirely unconnected to loyalism or the crown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QPSAFalkirkFirm Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 dont thik the zimbabwean people have much of a choice of anything politically really to be fair. Canada and Australia seem to have got it figured out though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 But you well know that that particular word has connotations, both here and back home. It really is irrelevant. If you are loyal to the union, you are loyalist. It is an entirely correct description. I don't see you complaining about people calling the Yes camp as separatists yet it's the same word used for those fighting in Ukraine. Can't have it both ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unleash The Nade Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The following are a list of modern countries that have gained independence from Westminster control: United States Australia Canada New Zealand India Pakistan Israel South Africa Ireland Egypt Nigeria Cyprus Jordan Sri Lanka Ghana Kuwait Malaysia Tuvalu Kiribati Myanmar (Burma) Tanzania Jamaica Malawi Saint Lucia Vanuatu Zimbabwe Uganda Iraq Trinidad and Tobago Malta Sierra Leone Barbados Lesotho Botswana The Gambia Maldives Kenya Grenada Sudan (South Sudan) Samoa Zambia Guyana Yemen Fiji Papa New Guinea United Arab Emirates Swaziland Solomon Islands Bahrain Qatar Mauritius Nauru Swaziland Bahamas Seychelles Dominica Antigua and Barbuda Belize Saint Kitts and Nevis Brunei This is the list of those who have asked to return to UK rule: Yup,they're all truly independent in every sense of the word Also, here is a list of those who share Sterling as their currency.................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 It really is irrelevant. If you are loyal to the union, you are loyalist. It is an entirely correct description. I don't see you complaining about people calling the Yes camp as separatists yet it's the same word used for those fighting in Ukraine. Can't have it both ways. I don't want it both ways, I simply refer to the "yes" camp and the "no" camp, both of which have some utter zoomers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Yes........as part of the agreement with the US for them joining WW2 in Europe. You haven't looked have you? You've just assumed that after 1945 all these countries were given the right of independence because they fought Hitler? Canada become independent in 1982 ffs, New Zealand in 1986 as did Australia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 I don't want it both ways, I simply refer to the "yes" camp and the "no" camp, both of which have some utter zoomers. I am sorry you have been tainted by the abhorrent actions of those who perform terrorism, but that doesn't change what the word means. The BNP/EDL/UKIP supporters all wrap themselves in the Union Jack. I don't see people calling for it to no longer be used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Bairn Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Dunno what it is with Yes types and comparing being part of a political union to being ruled by a colonial power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowmore Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Yup,they're all truly independent in every sense of the word Also, here is a list of those who share Sterling as their currency.................. It seems as long as a Yes voter says it'll happen, then its on. It doesn't matter what the parties at Westminster say nor what the electorate would no doubt say to the notion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever_blue Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Canada and Australia seem to have got it figured out though. i never said they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audaces Fortuna Juvat Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 I am sorry you have been tainted by the abhorrent actions of those who perform terrorism, but that doesn't change what the word means. The BNP/EDL/UKIP supporters all wrap themselves in the Union Jack. I don't see people calling for it to no longer be used. No, I'd prefer them not to use it at all, but I can't stop them. You have the option to use less emotive language. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 16, 2014 Author Share Posted September 16, 2014 Dunno what it is with Yes types and comparing being part of a political union to being ruled by a colonial power. Read back and see who it is who has mentioned colonial power. I certainly haven't. If anything I have made it quite clear that the British Empire didn't exist when the vast majority of these countries became independent. You have the option to use less emotive language. Yes, because it's only me. Forgive me for using the correct term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SodjesSixteenIncher Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 In what way? giving up their own currency for the Euro? The Republic of Ireland's a small, largely peaceful country that sits near the top (and ahead of Britain) in practically index of successful nation states. They play to their strengths and instead of wasting money pretending to be a superpower, they've went about creating a wealthier society than Scotland with a smidgen of the natural resources. Plenty I wouldn't do the same though. - Huge over reliance on cheap credit and construction in the 90s - Guaranteeing deposits the Gov couldn't afford - Far too big a role held by Church in society - Politicians handing out development contracts to their mates Etc, Etc. Good to look to other countries and see what they've done well and poorly. We should aim to do even better than Ireland has by avoiding the pitfalls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 Ah, nothing to actually counter the point made, just a dismissal. You are the perfect example of those who don't live in the country and don't have a vote. There's little point trying to counter the slavering of someone who seems to be coming more delusional and ridiculous by the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjc Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The Republic of Ireland's a small, largely peaceful country that sits near the top (and ahead of Britain) in practically index of successful nation states. They play to their strengths and instead of wasting money pretending to be a superpower, they've went about creating a wealthier society than Scotland with a smidgen of the natural resources. Plenty I wouldn't do the same though. - Huge over reliance on cheap credit and construction in the 90s - Guaranteeing deposits the Gov couldn't afford - Far too big a role held by Church in society - Politicians handing out development contracts to their mates Etc, Etc. Good to look to other countries and see what they've done well and poorly. We should aim to do even better than Ireland has by avoiding the pitfalls. I don't disagree with a lot of what you say but it has to be said that they "rode the crest of the EU wave" throughout the last 20-25years in that they as a Country received far more than they paid in which regenerated much of the Country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BerwickMad Posted September 16, 2014 Share Posted September 16, 2014 The Republic of Ireland's a small, largely peaceful country that sits near the top (and ahead of Britain) in practically index of successful nation states. They play to their strengths and instead of wasting money pretending to be a superpower, they've went about creating a wealthier society than Scotland with a smidgen of the natural resources. Plenty I wouldn't do the same though. - Huge over reliance on cheap credit and construction in the 90s - Guaranteeing deposits the Gov couldn't afford - Far too big a role held by Church in society - Politicians handing out development contracts to their mates Etc, Etc. Good to look to other countries and see what they've done well and poorly. We should aim to do even better than Ireland has by avoiding the pitfalls. Unemployment rate almost twice that of Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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