Bill. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Oh dear.... Ian King, chief executive of BAE, has indicated in a letter submitted to the Scottish Affairs Committee that shipyards on the Clyde would likely have to close if Scotland votes for independence. The future of the yards at Govan and Scotstoun is directly tied into the Type 26 frigates and Mr King has said BAE would build the ships at a location compatible with the contract awarding process of the Ministry of Defence. The indication comes from a letter submitted to the chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson, Mr King stated “the major investment decision known as Main Gate, will be made by MoD at the end of this year” after the referendum on 18 September. Mr King also said that “in the event of a Yes vote, and as we have made clear, we would be required to discuss the future of the Type 26 programme with our customer, the MoD. It would be for the MoD to determine how the vote affects the final decisions they have yet to make on the programme, including the future location of the build of the ships. We would take our customer’s lead in these circumstances. We cannot determine this outcome in advance, or without the direction of the MoD.” Mr Davidson said: “This shows clearly that, as we have previously stated, the only guarantee for the future of shipbuilding on the Clyde is for Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom.” A view shared by the industry and MoD itself. Still everyone knows those yards were only kept open by England for political reasons, a lot of English shipbuilders lost their jobs because work was sent to Glasgow so much. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-indicate-shipyard-closure-event-scottish-yes-vote/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ross. Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 How many worked in yards on the Clyde 100 years ago? How many 50 years ago? How many 25 years ago? How many today? Easy to see that the union is killing the yards.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renton Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 From May, worth noting that King had previously said that he 'had no plans' for moving production of the T-26s from Scotstoun. Worth noting something else: Shipbuilding is introuble whatever happens next week. The RN buys less warships each procurment cycle and due to the evolution of technology, each ship is both more effective and lasts longer than it's predecessor. This basically means that we buy less ships each time and the time between each new class of ship increases. Afte rthe T-26 work is finished, then what? Where is the next set of orders from? I was born in 1984. There were 25,000 shipbuilding jobs in Scotland. In 2014 there are 6,000. UK strategy of propping up the yards with UK defence contracts, but without meaningful attmepts to bring in other contracts has failed miserably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ayrmad Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Oh dear.... Ian King, chief executive of BAE, has indicated in a letter submitted to the Scottish Affairs Committee that shipyards on the Clyde would likely have to close if Scotland votes for independence. The future of the yards at Govan and Scotstoun is directly tied into the Type 26 frigates and Mr King has said BAE would build the ships at a location compatible with the contract awarding process of the Ministry of Defence. The indication comes from a letter submitted to the chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson, Mr King stated “the major investment decision known as Main Gate, will be made by MoD at the end of this year” after the referendum on 18 September. Mr King also said that “in the event of a Yes vote, and as we have made clear, we would be required to discuss the future of the Type 26 programme with our customer, the MoD. It would be for the MoD to determine how the vote affects the final decisions they have yet to make on the programme, including the future location of the build of the ships. We would take our customer’s lead in these circumstances. We cannot determine this outcome in advance, or without the direction of the MoD.” Mr Davidson said: “This shows clearly that, as we have previously stated, the only guarantee for the future of shipbuilding on the Clyde is for Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom.” A view shared by the industry and MoD itself. Still everyone knows those yards were only kept open by England for political reasons, a lot of English shipbuilders lost their jobs because work was sent to Glasgow so much. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-indicate-shipyard-closure-event-scottish-yes-vote/ They'll just have to diversify or die like everything else in nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 This would be the same Ian King who, on the 24th of January, was quoted in The Sun he has "no contingency plans to take work away from Govan and Scotstoun in the event of a Yes vote this September". In the same article he then pleaded with the Westminster government to "deal with the reality of an independent Scotland" rather than dismissing it out of hand. "oh dear" is the most accurate thing you have ever posted on here "Bill". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Would we not have ships to build in an independent Scotland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I believe "Bill" is about to start a new thread relating to the dramatic loss of the wig periwinkling industry in Scotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave.j Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 T Oh dear.... Ian King, chief executive of BAE, has indicated in a letter submitted to the Scottish Affairs Committee that shipyards on the Clyde would likely have to close if Scotland votes for independence. The future of the yards at Govan and Scotstoun is directly tied into the Type 26 frigates and Mr King has said BAE would build the ships at a location compatible with the contract awarding process of the Ministry of Defence. The indication comes from a letter submitted to the chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson, Mr King stated “the major investment decision known as Main Gate, will be made by MoD at the end of this year” after the referendum on 18 September. Mr King also said that “in the event of a Yes vote, and as we have made clear, we would be required to discuss the future of the Type 26 programme with our customer, the MoD. It would be for the MoD to determine how the vote affects the final decisions they have yet to make on the programme, including the future location of the build of the ships. We would take our customer’s lead in these circumstances. We cannot determine this outcome in advance, or without the direction of the MoD.” Mr Davidson said: “This shows clearly that, as we have previously stated, the only guarantee for the future of shipbuilding on the Clyde is for Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom.” A view shared by the industry and MoD itself. Still everyone knows those yards were only kept open by England for political reasons, a lot of English shipbuilders lost their jobs because work was sent to Glasgow so much. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-indicate-shipyard-closure-event-scottish-yes-vote/ Interesting. where would they be built, if not on the Clyde? If the contract was lost, would we not need to be building a Scottish Navy vessel fleet, anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baxter Parp Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Oh dear.... Ian King, chief executive of BAE, has indicated in a letter submitted to the Scottish Affairs Committee that shipyards on the Clyde would likely have to close if Scotland votes for independence. The future of the yards at Govan and Scotstoun is directly tied into the Type 26 frigates and Mr King has said BAE would build the ships at a location compatible with the contract awarding process of the Ministry of Defence. The indication comes from a letter submitted to the chairman of the Scottish Affairs Select Committee Ian Davidson, Mr King stated “the major investment decision known as Main Gate, will be made by MoD at the end of this year” after the referendum on 18 September. Mr King also said that “in the event of a Yes vote, and as we have made clear, we would be required to discuss the future of the Type 26 programme with our customer, the MoD. It would be for the MoD to determine how the vote affects the final decisions they have yet to make on the programme, including the future location of the build of the ships. We would take our customer’s lead in these circumstances. We cannot determine this outcome in advance, or without the direction of the MoD.” Mr Davidson said: “This shows clearly that, as we have previously stated, the only guarantee for the future of shipbuilding on the Clyde is for Scotland to remain part of the United Kingdom.” A view shared by the industry and MoD itself. Still everyone knows those yards were only kept open by England for political reasons, a lot of English shipbuilders lost their jobs because work was sent to Glasgow so much. https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/bae-indicate-shipyard-closure-event-scottish-yes-vote/ May 27, 2014 September 2014 You are an incompetent troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casual Bystander Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You are an incompetent troll. Don't expect a rebuttal. "Bill" only likes posting things then refusing to answer those who counter his opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 I haven't read the thread but here's a wee stat for you Bill. Number of people employed in shipbuilding in Scotland in 1984 - 26,000 Number of people employed in shipbuilding in Scotland in 2014 - 6,000 Better Together, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForzaDundee Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Norway has 42 shipyards controlled by 35 companies. Last year these shipyards built more than 100 ships and employed over 25,000 people.The shipbuilding industry in Scotland needs innovation and diversification to be successful not Westminster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Don't expect a rebuttal. "Bill" only likes posting things then refusing to answer those who counter his opinion. Ah, an H_B clone i assume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill. Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 You better be quick and save those yards before the skilled men leave and go on the dole, cos you've got to start building the Scottish navy so you can use Faslane for something, don't worry you have all the oil money to do all these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin_Nevis Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You better be quick and save those yards before the skilled men leave and go on the dole, cos you've got to start building the Scottish navy so you can use Faslane for something, don't worry you have all the oil money to do all these things. What a genuinely terrible alias. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You better be quick and save those yards before the skilled men leave and go on the dole, cos you've got to start building the Scottish navy so you can use Faslane for something, don't worry you have all the oil money to do all these things. A truly truly terrible comeback..is that it...seriously..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 You better be quick and save those yards before the skilled men leave and go on the dole, cos you've got to start building the Scottish navy so you can use Faslane for something, don't worry you have all the oil money to do all these things. I presume you completely ignored my point, that we have a quarter of the shipbuilders we had 30 years ago, under Westminster's stewardship? Pardon the pun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill. Posted September 9, 2014 Author Share Posted September 9, 2014 I presume you completely ignored my point, that we have a quarter of the shipbuilders we had 30 years ago, under Westminster's stewardship? Pardon the pun. Yes England doesn't have anywhere near the shipbuilding capapcity it used to have either, but Govern and Yarrows would have shut down long ago if they hadn't been drip fed work for political reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well Well Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Yes England doesn't have anywhere near the shipbuilding capapcity it used to have either, but Govern and Yarrows would have shut down long ago if they hadn't been drip fed work for political reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confidemus Posted September 9, 2014 Share Posted September 9, 2014 Yes England doesn't have anywhere near the shipbuilding capapcity it used to have either, but Govern and Yarrows would have shut down long ago if they hadn't been drip fed work for political reasons. Really? That's the best you can do? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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